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If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:25 pm

Nine years ago, I got (over)excited about working out the Forum Ranks (and posting stats for each rank). Now that I've become an administrator, I kind of can't really do that any more, but I've been wondering about what sort of forum ranks the various subforums at The Piazza might have for a while.

There is no system for this, so I thought I'd invent one, for my own amusement. I'm going to post it so that anyone nerdy enough to want to follow what I'm doing can have a look.

I'm using three things as the starting point for my system:
  • Ashtagon's minimum topic requirement for a forum is 10 topics (making 10 topics into the "Level 1" requrement),
  • British money works with a 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 progression and
  • Replies are as important as topics (if not more so) so I'm going with a baseline of "ten replies per topic".
So, working from these rules I have set myself, I'm going to assign forum levels in this progression (rather than try to emulate XP from any edition of D&D):
Forum Level|Minimum Topics|Minimum Posts
1|10|100
2|20|200
3|50|500
4|100|1,000
5|200|2,000
6|500|5,000
7|1,000|10,000
8|2,000|20,000
9|5,000|50,000
10|10,000|100,000


I will edit the above table, and add more levels, if I need to, but you should be able to work out the progression from that. :)

The nerdy "Forum Levels" will be posted in the next post (after I work them out).

EDIT: Here is a list of posts with stats:
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Havard » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:15 pm

I like that you are including both threads and total posts.

I remember being very frustrated at another website back in the days for insisting that only the number of threads should be used in determining status of forums. That meant that forums with lots of long and interesting discussions was actually being punished for that. Glad we are not taking that route! :)

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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:08 pm

Havard wrote:I like that you are including both threads and total posts.

I remember being very frustrated at another website back in the days for insisting that only the number of threads should be used in determining status of forums. That meant that forums with lots of long and interesting discussions was actually being punished for that. Glad we are not taking that route! :)
Well it's only a fun thing anyway.

But if I was going to go on just one thing, I'd go on post count, rather than topic count.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Yaztromo » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:32 am

No consideration for the number of views as well??? :)
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:12 pm

Forum Levels for 16 June 2017 (Forum Order)

Forum Name|Section/Type|Forum Level|Topic Count|Post Count
The Philosopher's Stone|Public Houses|7|1,635|25,235
The Tabard Inn|The Philosopher's Stone|7|1,487|17,903
The Magic Mirror|The Philosopher's Stone|3|86|558
The Crystal Globe|The Philosopher's Stone|3|56|5,327
The Squishy Bits|The Orc's Revenge|6|539|5721
The Crunchy Bits|The Orc's Revenge|8|2,968|25,888
Original D&D|The Crunchy Bits|2|46|343
Classic D&D|The Crunchy Bits|5|435|4,056
AD&D 1st Edition|The Crunchy Bits|4|118|1,057
AD&D 2nd Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|304|2,315
D&D 3rd Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|296|2,039
D&D 4th Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|294|3,199
D&D 5th Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|316|3,118
d20 Modern|The Crunchy Bits|3|93|706
Pathfinder|The Crunchy Bits|4|287|1,835
Castles & Crusades|The Crunchy Bits|3|69|624
Dark Dungeons|The Crunchy Bits|5|230|2,370
Apotheon|The Crunchy Bits|2|56|346
The Wishing Well|The Orc's Revenge|6|867|6,103
The Kippin' Griffon|Public Houses|5|355|4,467
Blackmoor|Campaign Worlds|5|387|3029
Greyhawk|Campaign Worlds|5|379|4278
Chainmail|Greyhawk|2|51|418
Mystara|Campaign Worlds|8|3,506|49,667
Hollow World|Mystara|5|228|2013
Savage Coast|Mystara|4|103|1054
Thunder Rift|Mystara|3|91|994
GazF Mystara+|Mystara|4|126|2346
Thorf's Projects|Mystara|4|108|1197
Mystara 3E Conversion Project|Mystara|2|47|615
Mystara 4E Conversion Project|Mystara|2|65|459
Dragonlance|Campaign Worlds|5|345|2,715
Taladas|Dragonlance|2|53|420
Forgotten Realms|Campaign Worlds|6|573|5,345
Al-Qadim|Forgotten Realms|3|111|809
Kara-Tur|Forgotten Realms|2|52|425
Maztica|Forgotten Realms|4|101|1,172
Arcane Age|Forgotten Realms|1|12|127
The Horde|Forgotten Realms|1|15|165
Spelljammer|Campaign Worlds|7|1,189|16,887
Spelljammer 3E Conversion Project|Spelljammer|1|22|162
Spelljammer 4E Conversion Project|Spelljammer|1|19|232
Ravenloft|Campaign Worlds|4|156|1,319
Dark Sun|Campaign Worlds|4|195|1,570
Planescape|Campaign Worlds|4|159|1,173
Birthright|Campaign Worlds|4|116|1,079
World of Warcraft|Campaign Worlds|4|107|1,278
Eberron|Campaign Worlds|5|269|2,218
Scarred Lands|Campaign Worlds|4|120|1,278
Gamma World|Campaign Worlds|3|99|737
Oriental Adventures|Campaign Worlds|3|118|915
Pelinore|Campaign Worlds|3|83|652
Nentir Vale|Campaign Worlds|3|96|976
Talislanta|Campaign Worlds|3|83|1,661
Wilderlands|Campaign Worlds|3|98|806
Traveller|Campaign Worlds|3|97|857
Aquaria|Campaign Worlds|3|53|1,123
Kingdoms of Kalamar|Campaign Worlds|2|43|383
Freeport|Campaign Worlds|3|85|939
Calidar|Campaign Worlds|3|94|1,270
Star Wars|Campaign Worlds|3|115|788
Midgard|Campaign Worlds|2|39|271
Conan|Campaign Worlds|3|73|528
Lankhmar|Campaign Worlds|2|27|236
Middle-earth|Campaign Worlds|2|48|472
Call of Cthulhu|Campaign Worlds|2|45|282
Ghostwalk|Campaign Worlds|2|48|286
Council of Wyrms|Campaign Worlds|2|35|314
Warhammer|Campaign Worlds|1|33|165
Other Worlds|Campaign Worlds|5|812|4,595
Homebrew Worlds|Campaign Worlds|6|505|6,332
Sarunia|Homebrew Worlds|3|90|672
The Edge|Homebrew Worlds|3|68|785
World of Kulan|Homebrew Worlds|3|54|1,655


Here is the table that explains the forum levels.
Big Mac wrote:Forum Level|Minimum Topics|Minimum Posts
1|10|100
2|20|200
3|50|500
4|100|1,000
5|200|2,000
6|500|5,000
7|1,000|10,000
8|2,000|20,000
9|5,000|50,000
10|10,000|100,000
I might come back and edit this post and add another version of the top table, with the forums sorted by level (highest to lowest).

EDIT: I just added this:

Forum Levels for 16 June 2017 (Level Order - And Post Count Within Each Level)

Forum Name|Section/Type|Forum Level|Topic Count|Post Count
Mystara|Campaign Worlds|8|3,506|49,667
The Crunchy Bits|The Orc's Revenge|8|2,968|25,888
The Philosopher's Stone|Public Houses|7|1,635|25,235
The Tabard Inn|The Philosopher's Stone|7|1,487|17,903
Spelljammer|Campaign Worlds|7|1,189|16,887
Homebrew Worlds|Campaign Worlds|6|505|6,332
The Wishing Well|The Orc's Revenge|6|867|6,103
Forgotten Realms|Campaign Worlds|6|573|5,345
The Squishy Bits|The Orc's Revenge|6|539|5,721
Other Worlds|Campaign Worlds|5|812|4,595
The Kippin' Griffon|Public Houses|5|355|4,467
Greyhawk|Campaign Worlds|5|379|4,278
Classic D&D|The Crunchy Bits|5|435|4,056
D&D 4th Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|294|3,199
D&D 5th Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|316|3,118
Blackmoor|Campaign Worlds|5|387|3,029
Dragonlance|Campaign Worlds|5|345|2,715
Dark Dungeons|The Crunchy Bits|5|230|2,370
AD&D 2nd Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|304|2,315
Eberron|Campaign Worlds|5|269|2,218
D&D 3rd Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|296|2,039
Hollow World|Mystara|5|228|2,013
GazF Mystara+|Mystara|4|126|2,346
World of Warcraft|Campaign Worlds|4|107|1,278
Pathfinder|The Crunchy Bits|4|287|1,835
Dark Sun|Campaign Worlds|4|195|1,570
Ravenloft|Campaign Worlds|4|156|1,319
Scarred Lands|Campaign Worlds|4|120|1,278
Thorf's Projects|Mystara|4|108|1,197
Planescape|Campaign Worlds|4|159|1,173
Maztica|Forgotten Realms|4|101|1,172
Birthright|Campaign Worlds|4|116|1,079
AD&D 1st Edition|The Crunchy Bits|4|118|1,057
Savage Coast|Mystara|4|103|1,054
The Crystal Globe|The Philosopher's Stone|3|56|5,327
Talislanta|Campaign Worlds|3|83|1,661
World of Kulan|Homebrew Worlds|3|54|1,655
Calidar|Campaign Worlds|3|94|1,270
Aquaria|Campaign Worlds|3|53|1,123
Thunder Rift|Mystara|3|91|994
Nentir Vale|Campaign Worlds|3|96|976
Freeport|Campaign Worlds|3|85|939
Oriental Adventures|Campaign Worlds|3|118|915
Traveller|Campaign Worlds|3|97|857
Al-Qadim|Forgotten Realms|3|111|809
Wilderlands|Campaign Worlds|3|98|806
Star Wars|Campaign Worlds|3|115|788
The Edge|Homebrew Worlds|3|68|785
Gamma World|Campaign Worlds|3|99|737
d20 Modern|The Crunchy Bits|3|93|706
Sarunia|Homebrew Worlds|3|90|672
Pelinore|Campaign Worlds|3|83|652
Castles & Crusades|The Crunchy Bits|3|69|624
The Magic Mirror|The Philosopher's Stone|3|86|558
Conan|Campaign Worlds|3|73|528
Mystara 3E Conversion Project|Mystara|2|47|615
Middle-earth|Campaign Worlds|2|48|472
Mystara 4E Conversion Project|Mystara|2|65|459
Kara-Tur|Forgotten Realms|2|52|425
Taladas|Dragonlance|2|53|420
Chainmail|Greyhawk|2|51|418
Kingdoms of Kalamar|Campaign Worlds|2|43|383
Apotheon|The Crunchy Bits|2|56|346
Original D&D|The Crunchy Bits|2|46|343
Council of Wyrms|Campaign Worlds|2|35|314
Ghostwalk|Campaign Worlds|2|48|286
Call of Cthulhu|Campaign Worlds|2|45|282
Midgard|Campaign Worlds|2|39|271
Lankhmar|Campaign Worlds|2|27|236
Spelljammer 4E Conversion Project|Spelljammer|1|19|232
Warhammer|Campaign Worlds|1|33|165
The Horde|Forgotten Realms|1|15|165
Spelljammer 3E Conversion Project|Spelljammer|1|22|162
Arcane Age|Forgotten Realms|1|12|127
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:15 pm

Yaztromo wrote:No consideration for the number of views as well??? :)
I think that is only visible on individual topics. :o

But feel free to make your own topic and sit down with an adding machine to work out what the views would be. :twisted:
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:05 pm

Big Mac wrote:I might come back and edit this post and add another version of the top table, with the forums sorted by level (highest to lowest).
I just did. See the previous post.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Morfie » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:03 am

Big Mac wrote:
Big Mac wrote:I might come back and edit this post and add another version of the top table, with the forums sorted by level (highest to lowest).
I just did. See the previous post.
Thanks Big Mac.. for answering Big Mac's question. :D

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Post by Tim Baker » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:34 am

I love this kind of stuff. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by Big Mac » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:40 pm

Tim Baker wrote:I love this kind of stuff. Thanks for sharing!
One forum has already "levelled up" since I posted this. :)

I used to go to nerdy lengths trying to reverse-engineer Ashtagon's forum ranks (but when she made me into a Junior Administrator I stopped doing that).

And I once worked out a pie chart of the top posters on the forum.
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Post by Tim Baker » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:46 am

Big Mac wrote:I once worked out a pie chart of the top posters on the forum.
I love visualizations like that.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

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Tim Baker wrote:
Big Mac wrote:I once worked out a pie chart of the top posters on the forum.
I love visualizations like that.
Here it is:
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Post by Tim Baker » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:02 am

So 12 people generated nearly half the posts as of 7 years ago? That's crazy!
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Tim Baker wrote:So 12 people generated nearly half the posts as of 7 years ago? That's crazy!
Yes. That's correct. You can look at the memberlist sorted by post count if you want to try to repeat the calculations I used to make that chart.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Khedrac » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:08 am

I resent the assumption that the rest of us necessarily have social lives...
(That said, I wasn't a member back then.)
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Havard » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:11 am

Khedrac wrote:I resent the assumption that the rest of us necessarily have social lives...
(That said, I wasn't a member back then.)
:lol:

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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:17 pm

Khedrac wrote:I resent the assumption that the rest of us necessarily have social lives...
(That said, I wasn't a member back then.)
No social life, huh? That's fighting talk! :lol:

Well your "I don't have a social life" number is currently 0.29 ppd. (Mine is 6.24 ppd.)

You are currently behind froglegg on page 7 of The Piazza leaderboard. (Froglegg only has 0.04, so I think you can leap past him. #DYSWIDT)

Alzirus (0.11 ppd) might stay ahead of you for a while, but I think you will eventually catch him. But Mike Myler also has 0.29 ppd, so I think you will struggle to ever catch him.

Sarastro Magnifico has 0.21 ppd, so you will probably catch him eventually, but not too quickly.

Everyone else ahead of you on your page is also listed as 0.04 ppd, so if you want to prove you have no social life, and get onto page 6 of the leaderboard, you might be able to do it, assuming there are some slow people on page 6 that you and Mike Myler can steal the slots from. ;)
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Khedrac » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:46 pm

Big Mac wrote:No social life, huh? That's fighting talk! :lol:

Well your "I don't have a social life" number is currently 0.29 ppd. (Mine is 6.24 ppd.)

You are currently behind froglegg on page 7 of The Piazza leaderboard. (Froglegg only has 0.04, so I think you can leap past him. #DYSWIDT)

Alzirus (0.11 ppd) might stay ahead of you for a while, but I think you will eventually catch him. But Mike Myler also has 0.29 ppd, so I think you will struggle to ever catch him.

Sarastro Magnifico has 0.21 ppd, so you will probably catch him eventually, but not too quickly.

Everyone else ahead of you on your page is also listed as 0.04 ppd, so if you want to prove you have no social life, and get onto page 6 of the leaderboard, you might be able to do it, assuming there are some slow people on page 6 that you and Mike Myler can steal the slots from. ;)
I assume ppd is posts per day?

Yes, I have a couple of problems with pushing it up - one is that my main board to lurk at is GiantITP so I post there rather more often than here, and I am also more of a lurker than a poster :(
The other is that my work varies between "working flat out with no time to look at the PC with internet access" and "spend (nearly) all day on the internet because I have nothing to do" (our part of the project is effectively done so we spend most of our time waiting on others). Now this latter sounds good, but my work PC usually gets a network access error on these forums whenever I browse into a sub-forum, something it doesn't seem to do anywhere else. It's not a blocked website as that is a different message (found that out with Project Gutenberg), it just rarely works from my office. It could be something to do with the routing as the network portal is usually in Germany even though I work int he UK (which really messes up listening to the cricket on the BBC).

So yes, just because I don't spend my life posting on here doesn't mean I have a social life (one of the reasons why I grabbed a custom forum title last year) but I will see what I can do to rectify my miserly post count.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:46 pm

Khedrac wrote:
Big Mac wrote:No social life, huh? That's fighting talk! :lol:

Well your "I don't have a social life" number is currently 0.29 ppd. (Mine is 6.24 ppd.)

You are currently behind froglegg on page 7 of The Piazza leaderboard. (Froglegg only has 0.04, so I think you can leap past him. #DYSWIDT)

Alzirus (0.11 ppd) might stay ahead of you for a while, but I think you will eventually catch him. But Mike Myler also has 0.29 ppd, so I think you will struggle to ever catch him.

Sarastro Magnifico has 0.21 ppd, so you will probably catch him eventually, but not too quickly.

Everyone else ahead of you on your page is also listed as 0.04 ppd, so if you want to prove you have no social life, and get onto page 6 of the leaderboard, you might be able to do it, assuming there are some slow people on page 6 that you and Mike Myler can steal the slots from. ;)
I assume ppd is posts per day?
Yes it is. I abbreviated it. The forum writes it in full.
Khedrac wrote:Yes, I have a couple of problems with pushing it up - one is that my main board to lurk at is GiantITP so I post there rather more often than here, and I am also more of a lurker than a poster :(
Giant in the Playground do some cool stuff. I don't blame you for hanging out over there. And there is nothing wrong with a bit of lurking. But it is nice when people delurk and you can have a chat with them.
Khedrac wrote:The other is that my work varies between "working flat out with no time to look at the PC with internet access" and "spend (nearly) all day on the internet because I have nothing to do" (our part of the project is effectively done so we spend most of our time waiting on others). Now this latter sounds good, but my work PC usually gets a network access error on these forums whenever I browse into a sub-forum, something it doesn't seem to do anywhere else. It's not a blocked website as that is a different message (found that out with Project Gutenberg), it just rarely works from my office. It could be something to do with the routing as the network portal is usually in Germany even though I work int he UK (which really messes up listening to the cricket on the BBC).
That's odd. I do occasionally get problems with a page on The Piazza loading, but if I immediately reload the page, it usually loads the second time.

There was a time, in the past, when I was using Internet Explorer and I kept loosing my posts. I use Firefox now, and have much less problems, although my work PC just went a bit weird with some other websites. (We swapped it out, as we got asked to test Windows 10, so that's fixed that problem.)

If you can try using a different browser, I would suggest giving that a go.
Khedrac wrote:So yes, just because I don't spend my life posting on here doesn't mean I have a social life (one of the reasons why I grabbed a custom forum title last year) but I will see what I can do to rectify my miserly post count.
I'm glad you got that title. Those custom titles are fun. But, seriously, it's more about cool ideas here, than post count. So if you have any great ideas, please do share them.
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Post by Yaztromo » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:31 am

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Tim Baker wrote:So 12 people generated nearly half the posts as of 7 years ago? That's crazy!
Yes. That's correct. You can look at the memberlist sorted by post count if you want to try to repeat the calculations I used to make that chart.
WOW! I just found out I'm already in the second page!!! :shock: ;) :cool:
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Post by Tim Baker » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:09 am

Yaztromo wrote:WOW! I just found out I'm already in the second page!!! :shock: ;) :cool:
Congrats! I just took a look and saw that I just made it onto the second page, too.
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Post by Big Mac » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:43 am

Tim Baker wrote:
Yaztromo wrote:WOW! I just found out I'm already in the second page!!! :shock: ;) :cool:
Congrats! I just took a look and saw that I just made it onto the second page, too.
When you start looking at the "posts per day" of the people above you, to see if you think you can catch them up, that's when it's time to join Postaholics Anonymous. ;)
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Post by RobJN » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:43 pm

Missed the top ten by that much -> 1 :oops:
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Post by Khedrac » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:51 pm

When I look at the memberlist I can see the date of joining and the total post count, but I don't see a "posts/day" column - is there one in a view I am missing, or are people dropping this into a spredhseet and adding a calculated formula?
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Post by RobJN » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:59 pm

Khedrac wrote:When I look at the memberlist I can see the date of joining and the total post count, but I don't see a "posts/day" column - is there one in a view I am missing, or are people dropping this into a spredhseet and adding a calculated formula?
It's calculated on the Profile Viewer page, found by clicking on the user's name.
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