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If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:25 pm

Nine years ago, I got (over)excited about working out the Forum Ranks (and posting stats for each rank). Now that I've become an administrator, I kind of can't really do that any more, but I've been wondering about what sort of forum ranks the various subforums at The Piazza might have for a while.

There is no system for this, so I thought I'd invent one, for my own amusement. I'm going to post it so that anyone nerdy enough to want to follow what I'm doing can have a look.

I'm using three things as the starting point for my system:
  • Ashtagon's minimum topic requirement for a forum is 10 topics (making 10 topics into the "Level 1" requrement),
  • British money works with a 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 progression and
  • Replies are as important as topics (if not more so) so I'm going with a baseline of "ten replies per topic".
So, working from these rules I have set myself, I'm going to assign forum levels in this progression (rather than try to emulate XP from any edition of D&D):
[b]Forum Level[/b]|[b]Minimum Topics[/b]|[b]Minimum Posts[/b] 1|10|100 2|20|200 3|50|500 4|100|1,000 5|200|2,000 6|500|5,000 7|1,000|10,000 8|2,000|20,000 9|5,000|50,000 10|10,000|100,000

I will edit the above table, and add more levels, if I need to, but you should be able to work out the progression from that. :)

The nerdy "Forum Levels" will be posted in the next post (after I work them out).

EDIT: Here is a list of posts with stats:
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Havard » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:15 pm

I like that you are including both threads and total posts.

I remember being very frustrated at another website back in the days for insisting that only the number of threads should be used in determining status of forums. That meant that forums with lots of long and interesting discussions was actually being punished for that. Glad we are not taking that route! :)

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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:08 pm

Havard wrote:I like that you are including both threads and total posts.

I remember being very frustrated at another website back in the days for insisting that only the number of threads should be used in determining status of forums. That meant that forums with lots of long and interesting discussions was actually being punished for that. Glad we are not taking that route! :)
Well it's only a fun thing anyway.

But if I was going to go on just one thing, I'd go on post count, rather than topic count.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Yaztromo » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:32 am

No consideration for the number of views as well??? :)
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:12 pm

Forum Levels for 16 June 2017 (Forum Order)

[b]Forum Name[/b]|[b]Section/Type[/b]|[b]Forum Level[/b]|[b]Topic Count[/b]|[b]Post Count[/b] The Philosopher's Stone|Public Houses|7|1,635|25,235 The Tabard Inn|The Philosopher's Stone|7|1,487|17,903 The Magic Mirror|The Philosopher's Stone|3|86|558 The Crystal Globe|The Philosopher's Stone|3|56|5,327 The Squishy Bits|The Orc's Revenge|6|539|5721 The Crunchy Bits|The Orc's Revenge|8|2,968|25,888 Original D&D|The Crunchy Bits|2|46|343 Classic D&D|The Crunchy Bits|5|435|4,056 AD&D 1st Edition|The Crunchy Bits|4|118|1,057 AD&D 2nd Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|304|2,315 D&D 3rd Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|296|2,039 D&D 4th Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|294|3,199 D&D 5th Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|316|3,118 d20 Modern|The Crunchy Bits|3|93|706 Pathfinder|The Crunchy Bits|4|287|1,835 Castles & Crusades|The Crunchy Bits|3|69|624 Dark Dungeons|The Crunchy Bits|5|230|2,370 Apotheon|The Crunchy Bits|2|56|346 The Wishing Well|The Orc's Revenge|6|867|6,103 The Kippin' Griffon|Public Houses|5|355|4,467 Blackmoor|Campaign Worlds|5|387|3029 Greyhawk|Campaign Worlds|5|379|4278 Chainmail|Greyhawk|2|51|418 Mystara|Campaign Worlds|8|3,506|49,667 Hollow World|Mystara|5|228|2013 Savage Coast|Mystara|4|103|1054 Thunder Rift|Mystara|3|91|994 GazF Mystara+|Mystara|4|126|2346 Thorf's Projects|Mystara|4|108|1197 Mystara 3E Conversion Project|Mystara|2|47|615 Mystara 4E Conversion Project|Mystara|2|65|459 Dragonlance|Campaign Worlds|5|345|2,715 Taladas|Dragonlance|2|53|420 Forgotten Realms|Campaign Worlds|6|573|5,345 Al-Qadim|Forgotten Realms|3|111|809 Kara-Tur|Forgotten Realms|2|52|425 Maztica|Forgotten Realms|4|101|1,172 Arcane Age|Forgotten Realms|1|12|127 The Horde|Forgotten Realms|1|15|165 Spelljammer|Campaign Worlds|7|1,189|16,887 Spelljammer 3E Conversion Project|Spelljammer|1|22|162 Spelljammer 4E Conversion Project|Spelljammer|1|19|232 Ravenloft|Campaign Worlds|4|156|1,319 Dark Sun|Campaign Worlds|4|195|1,570 Planescape|Campaign Worlds|4|159|1,173 Birthright|Campaign Worlds|4|116|1,079 World of Warcraft|Campaign Worlds|4|107|1,278 Eberron|Campaign Worlds|5|269|2,218 Scarred Lands|Campaign Worlds|4|120|1,278 Gamma World|Campaign Worlds|3|99|737 Oriental Adventures|Campaign Worlds|3|118|915 Pelinore|Campaign Worlds|3|83|652 Nentir Vale|Campaign Worlds|3|96|976 Talislanta|Campaign Worlds|3|83|1,661 Wilderlands|Campaign Worlds|3|98|806 Traveller|Campaign Worlds|3|97|857 Aquaria|Campaign Worlds|3|53|1,123 Kingdoms of Kalamar|Campaign Worlds|2|43|383 Freeport|Campaign Worlds|3|85|939 Calidar|Campaign Worlds|3|94|1,270 Star Wars|Campaign Worlds|3|115|788 Midgard|Campaign Worlds|2|39|271 Conan|Campaign Worlds|3|73|528 Lankhmar|Campaign Worlds|2|27|236 Middle-earth|Campaign Worlds|2|48|472 Call of Cthulhu|Campaign Worlds|2|45|282 Ghostwalk|Campaign Worlds|2|48|286 Council of Wyrms|Campaign Worlds|2|35|314 Warhammer|Campaign Worlds|1|33|165 Other Worlds|Campaign Worlds|5|812|4,595 Homebrew Worlds|Campaign Worlds|6|505|6,332 Sarunia|Homebrew Worlds|3|90|672 The Edge|Homebrew Worlds|3|68|785 World of Kulan|Homebrew Worlds|3|54|1,655

Here is the table that explains the forum levels.
Big Mac wrote:[b]Forum Level[/b]|[b]Minimum Topics[/b]|[b]Minimum Posts[/b] 1|10|100 2|20|200 3|50|500 4|100|1,000 5|200|2,000 6|500|5,000 7|1,000|10,000 8|2,000|20,000 9|5,000|50,000 10|10,000|100,000
I might come back and edit this post and add another version of the top table, with the forums sorted by level (highest to lowest).

EDIT: I just added this:

Forum Levels for 16 June 2017 (Level Order - And Post Count Within Each Level)

[b]Forum Name[/b]|[b]Section/Type[/b]|[b]Forum Level[/b]|[b]Topic Count[/b]|[b]Post Count[/b] Mystara|Campaign Worlds|8|3,506|49,667 The Crunchy Bits|The Orc's Revenge|8|2,968|25,888 The Philosopher's Stone|Public Houses|7|1,635|25,235 The Tabard Inn|The Philosopher's Stone|7|1,487|17,903 Spelljammer|Campaign Worlds|7|1,189|16,887 Homebrew Worlds|Campaign Worlds|6|505|6,332 The Wishing Well|The Orc's Revenge|6|867|6,103 Forgotten Realms|Campaign Worlds|6|573|5,345 The Squishy Bits|The Orc's Revenge|6|539|5,721 Other Worlds|Campaign Worlds|5|812|4,595 The Kippin' Griffon|Public Houses|5|355|4,467 Greyhawk|Campaign Worlds|5|379|4,278 Classic D&D|The Crunchy Bits|5|435|4,056 D&D 4th Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|294|3,199 D&D 5th Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|316|3,118 Blackmoor|Campaign Worlds|5|387|3,029 Dragonlance|Campaign Worlds|5|345|2,715 Dark Dungeons|The Crunchy Bits|5|230|2,370 AD&D 2nd Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|304|2,315 Eberron|Campaign Worlds|5|269|2,218 D&D 3rd Edition|The Crunchy Bits|5|296|2,039 Hollow World|Mystara|5|228|2,013 GazF Mystara+|Mystara|4|126|2,346 World of Warcraft|Campaign Worlds|4|107|1,278 Pathfinder|The Crunchy Bits|4|287|1,835 Dark Sun|Campaign Worlds|4|195|1,570 Ravenloft|Campaign Worlds|4|156|1,319 Scarred Lands|Campaign Worlds|4|120|1,278 Thorf's Projects|Mystara|4|108|1,197 Planescape|Campaign Worlds|4|159|1,173 Maztica|Forgotten Realms|4|101|1,172 Birthright|Campaign Worlds|4|116|1,079 AD&D 1st Edition|The Crunchy Bits|4|118|1,057 Savage Coast|Mystara|4|103|1,054 The Crystal Globe|The Philosopher's Stone|3|56|5,327 Talislanta|Campaign Worlds|3|83|1,661 World of Kulan|Homebrew Worlds|3|54|1,655 Calidar|Campaign Worlds|3|94|1,270 Aquaria|Campaign Worlds|3|53|1,123 Thunder Rift|Mystara|3|91|994 Nentir Vale|Campaign Worlds|3|96|976 Freeport|Campaign Worlds|3|85|939 Oriental Adventures|Campaign Worlds|3|118|915 Traveller|Campaign Worlds|3|97|857 Al-Qadim|Forgotten Realms|3|111|809 Wilderlands|Campaign Worlds|3|98|806 Star Wars|Campaign Worlds|3|115|788 The Edge|Homebrew Worlds|3|68|785 Gamma World|Campaign Worlds|3|99|737 d20 Modern|The Crunchy Bits|3|93|706 Sarunia|Homebrew Worlds|3|90|672 Pelinore|Campaign Worlds|3|83|652 Castles & Crusades|The Crunchy Bits|3|69|624 The Magic Mirror|The Philosopher's Stone|3|86|558 Conan|Campaign Worlds|3|73|528 Mystara 3E Conversion Project|Mystara|2|47|615 Middle-earth|Campaign Worlds|2|48|472 Mystara 4E Conversion Project|Mystara|2|65|459 Kara-Tur|Forgotten Realms|2|52|425 Taladas|Dragonlance|2|53|420 Chainmail|Greyhawk|2|51|418 Kingdoms of Kalamar|Campaign Worlds|2|43|383 Apotheon|The Crunchy Bits|2|56|346 Original D&D|The Crunchy Bits|2|46|343 Council of Wyrms|Campaign Worlds|2|35|314 Ghostwalk|Campaign Worlds|2|48|286 Call of Cthulhu|Campaign Worlds|2|45|282 Midgard|Campaign Worlds|2|39|271 Lankhmar|Campaign Worlds|2|27|236 Spelljammer 4E Conversion Project|Spelljammer|1|19|232 Warhammer|Campaign Worlds|1|33|165 The Horde|Forgotten Realms|1|15|165 Spelljammer 3E Conversion Project|Spelljammer|1|22|162 Arcane Age|Forgotten Realms|1|12|127
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:15 pm

Yaztromo wrote:No consideration for the number of views as well??? :)
I think that is only visible on individual topics. :o

But feel free to make your own topic and sit down with an adding machine to work out what the views would be. :twisted:
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:05 pm

Big Mac wrote:I might come back and edit this post and add another version of the top table, with the forums sorted by level (highest to lowest).
I just did. See the previous post.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Morfie » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:03 am

Big Mac wrote:
Big Mac wrote:I might come back and edit this post and add another version of the top table, with the forums sorted by level (highest to lowest).
I just did. See the previous post.
Thanks Big Mac.. for answering Big Mac's question. :D

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Post by Tim Baker » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:34 am

I love this kind of stuff. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:40 pm

Tim Baker wrote:I love this kind of stuff. Thanks for sharing!
One forum has already "levelled up" since I posted this. :)

I used to go to nerdy lengths trying to reverse-engineer Ashtagon's forum ranks (but when she made me into a Junior Administrator I stopped doing that).

And I once worked out a pie chart of the top posters on the forum.
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Post by Tim Baker » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:46 am

Big Mac wrote:I once worked out a pie chart of the top posters on the forum.
I love visualizations like that.
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Tim Baker wrote:
Big Mac wrote:I once worked out a pie chart of the top posters on the forum.
I love visualizations like that.
Here it is:
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Post by Tim Baker » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:02 am

So 12 people generated nearly half the posts as of 7 years ago? That's crazy!
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Tim Baker wrote:So 12 people generated nearly half the posts as of 7 years ago? That's crazy!
Yes. That's correct. You can look at the memberlist sorted by post count if you want to try to repeat the calculations I used to make that chart.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Khedrac » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:08 am

I resent the assumption that the rest of us necessarily have social lives...
(That said, I wasn't a member back then.)
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Khedrac wrote:I resent the assumption that the rest of us necessarily have social lives...
(That said, I wasn't a member back then.)
:lol:

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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

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Khedrac wrote:I resent the assumption that the rest of us necessarily have social lives...
(That said, I wasn't a member back then.)
No social life, huh? That's fighting talk! :lol:

Well your "I don't have a social life" number is currently 0.29 ppd. (Mine is 6.24 ppd.)

You are currently behind froglegg on page 7 of The Piazza leaderboard. (Froglegg only has 0.04, so I think you can leap past him. #DYSWIDT)

Alzirus (0.11 ppd) might stay ahead of you for a while, but I think you will eventually catch him. But Mike Myler also has 0.29 ppd, so I think you will struggle to ever catch him.

Sarastro Magnifico has 0.21 ppd, so you will probably catch him eventually, but not too quickly.

Everyone else ahead of you on your page is also listed as 0.04 ppd, so if you want to prove you have no social life, and get onto page 6 of the leaderboard, you might be able to do it, assuming there are some slow people on page 6 that you and Mike Myler can steal the slots from. ;)
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Khedrac » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:46 pm

Big Mac wrote:No social life, huh? That's fighting talk! :lol:

Well your "I don't have a social life" number is currently 0.29 ppd. (Mine is 6.24 ppd.)

You are currently behind froglegg on page 7 of The Piazza leaderboard. (Froglegg only has 0.04, so I think you can leap past him. #DYSWIDT)

Alzirus (0.11 ppd) might stay ahead of you for a while, but I think you will eventually catch him. But Mike Myler also has 0.29 ppd, so I think you will struggle to ever catch him.

Sarastro Magnifico has 0.21 ppd, so you will probably catch him eventually, but not too quickly.

Everyone else ahead of you on your page is also listed as 0.04 ppd, so if you want to prove you have no social life, and get onto page 6 of the leaderboard, you might be able to do it, assuming there are some slow people on page 6 that you and Mike Myler can steal the slots from. ;)
I assume ppd is posts per day?

Yes, I have a couple of problems with pushing it up - one is that my main board to lurk at is GiantITP so I post there rather more often than here, and I am also more of a lurker than a poster :(
The other is that my work varies between "working flat out with no time to look at the PC with internet access" and "spend (nearly) all day on the internet because I have nothing to do" (our part of the project is effectively done so we spend most of our time waiting on others). Now this latter sounds good, but my work PC usually gets a network access error on these forums whenever I browse into a sub-forum, something it doesn't seem to do anywhere else. It's not a blocked website as that is a different message (found that out with Project Gutenberg), it just rarely works from my office. It could be something to do with the routing as the network portal is usually in Germany even though I work int he UK (which really messes up listening to the cricket on the BBC).

So yes, just because I don't spend my life posting on here doesn't mean I have a social life (one of the reasons why I grabbed a custom forum title last year) but I will see what I can do to rectify my miserly post count.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:46 pm

Khedrac wrote:
Big Mac wrote:No social life, huh? That's fighting talk! :lol:

Well your "I don't have a social life" number is currently 0.29 ppd. (Mine is 6.24 ppd.)

You are currently behind froglegg on page 7 of The Piazza leaderboard. (Froglegg only has 0.04, so I think you can leap past him. #DYSWIDT)

Alzirus (0.11 ppd) might stay ahead of you for a while, but I think you will eventually catch him. But Mike Myler also has 0.29 ppd, so I think you will struggle to ever catch him.

Sarastro Magnifico has 0.21 ppd, so you will probably catch him eventually, but not too quickly.

Everyone else ahead of you on your page is also listed as 0.04 ppd, so if you want to prove you have no social life, and get onto page 6 of the leaderboard, you might be able to do it, assuming there are some slow people on page 6 that you and Mike Myler can steal the slots from. ;)
I assume ppd is posts per day?
Yes it is. I abbreviated it. The forum writes it in full.
Khedrac wrote:Yes, I have a couple of problems with pushing it up - one is that my main board to lurk at is GiantITP so I post there rather more often than here, and I am also more of a lurker than a poster :(
Giant in the Playground do some cool stuff. I don't blame you for hanging out over there. And there is nothing wrong with a bit of lurking. But it is nice when people delurk and you can have a chat with them.
Khedrac wrote:The other is that my work varies between "working flat out with no time to look at the PC with internet access" and "spend (nearly) all day on the internet because I have nothing to do" (our part of the project is effectively done so we spend most of our time waiting on others). Now this latter sounds good, but my work PC usually gets a network access error on these forums whenever I browse into a sub-forum, something it doesn't seem to do anywhere else. It's not a blocked website as that is a different message (found that out with Project Gutenberg), it just rarely works from my office. It could be something to do with the routing as the network portal is usually in Germany even though I work int he UK (which really messes up listening to the cricket on the BBC).
That's odd. I do occasionally get problems with a page on The Piazza loading, but if I immediately reload the page, it usually loads the second time.

There was a time, in the past, when I was using Internet Explorer and I kept loosing my posts. I use Firefox now, and have much less problems, although my work PC just went a bit weird with some other websites. (We swapped it out, as we got asked to test Windows 10, so that's fixed that problem.)

If you can try using a different browser, I would suggest giving that a go.
Khedrac wrote:So yes, just because I don't spend my life posting on here doesn't mean I have a social life (one of the reasons why I grabbed a custom forum title last year) but I will see what I can do to rectify my miserly post count.
I'm glad you got that title. Those custom titles are fun. But, seriously, it's more about cool ideas here, than post count. So if you have any great ideas, please do share them.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Yaztromo » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:31 am

Big Mac wrote:
Tim Baker wrote:So 12 people generated nearly half the posts as of 7 years ago? That's crazy!
Yes. That's correct. You can look at the memberlist sorted by post count if you want to try to repeat the calculations I used to make that chart.
WOW! I just found out I'm already in the second page!!! :shock: ;) :cool:
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Post by Tim Baker » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:09 am

Yaztromo wrote:WOW! I just found out I'm already in the second page!!! :shock: ;) :cool:
Congrats! I just took a look and saw that I just made it onto the second page, too.
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Re: If subforums could "level up" (Forum Levels)

Post by Big Mac » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:43 am

Tim Baker wrote:
Yaztromo wrote:WOW! I just found out I'm already in the second page!!! :shock: ;) :cool:
Congrats! I just took a look and saw that I just made it onto the second page, too.
When you start looking at the "posts per day" of the people above you, to see if you think you can catch them up, that's when it's time to join Postaholics Anonymous. ;)
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Post by RobJN » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:43 pm

Missed the top ten by that much -> 1 :oops:
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Post by Khedrac » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:51 pm

When I look at the memberlist I can see the date of joining and the total post count, but I don't see a "posts/day" column - is there one in a view I am missing, or are people dropping this into a spredhseet and adding a calculated formula?
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Post by RobJN » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:59 pm

Khedrac wrote:When I look at the memberlist I can see the date of joining and the total post count, but I don't see a "posts/day" column - is there one in a view I am missing, or are people dropping this into a spredhseet and adding a calculated formula?
It's calculated on the Profile Viewer page, found by clicking on the user's name.
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