[Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

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[Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Havard » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:32 pm

To those of you who have played Warhammer, what are your experiences with the different editions? I started out with 1st edition, but overall I prefer the 2nd edition. I have never played 3rd edition, but I have not really liked what I have seen of it. What are your thoughts on this RPG?



Warhammer FRP (WHFRP) Editions
  • Warhammer FRP 1st Edition (1986) - Games Workshop
  • Warhammer FRP 2nd Edition (2006) - Black Industries (Games Workshop Subsidiary)
  • Warhammer FRP 3rd Edition (2009) Fantasy Flight Games
  • Warhammer FRP 4th Edition (TBA) Cublice 7 (More details)
  • Warhammer Age of Sigmar RPG (TBA) Cublicle 7 (More details)

Warhammer 40K Era RPGs (Discussion of the 40K RPGS)
  • Dark Heresy (2008) Fantasy Flight Games - Piazza Discussion
  • Dark Heresy 2nd Edition (2014) Fantasy Flight Games - Piazza Discussion
  • Rogue Trader (2009) Fantasy Flight Games
  • Deathwatch (2010) Fantasy Flight Games
  • Black Crusade (2011) Fantasy Flight Games
  • Only War (2012) Fantasy Flight Games
  • Blood and Glory (2018?) Ulisses North America - Piazza Discussion

Warhammer Board/Miniature Games
  • Warhammer Quest
  • Bloodbowl - Piazza Discussion
  • Warhammer Fantasy Battles (1983-2015) Games Workshop
  • Hero Quest
  • Advanced Hero Quest
  • Mighty Warriors
  • Battle Masters
  • Space Hulk
  • Warhammer 40K
  • Space Crusade - More MB and GW
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  • Space Fleet
  • Tyranid Attack
  • Adeptus Titanicus
  • Space Marine (1st and 2nd edition)
  • Epic 40,000
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  • Talisman (4 editions so far and a 5th just announaced)
  • Relic (40K version of Talisman)
  • Mordhiem: City of the Damned
  • Gorka Morka
  • Warhammer Seige
  • Mighty Empires
  • Man O War
  • Dread Fleet
  • Warhammer Quest Adventure Card Game
  • Chaos Marauders
  • Ultra Marines
  • Warhammer: Invasion
  • Warhammer 40,000 Conquest
  • Warhammer: DiskWars
  • Combat Cards
  • Warahmmer 40,000 CCG
  • Warhammer Ancient Battles
  • Warhammer Perilous Quest
  • Warhammer Skirmish
  • Planetary Empires
  • Battle for Armageddon
  • Dungeonbowl
  • Adeptus Titanicus II
  • Assasinorum: Execution Force
  • Arena of Blood
  • Battlefleet Gothic
  • Blazin' Squigs
  • Bommerz over d Suphur River
  • The Bugman's Game
  • Dark Millennium
  • Deathwatch: Overkill
  • Doom of the Eldar
  • Dragon Masters
  • Epic Armageddon
  • Gorechosen
  • Gorkamoka
  • Hive War
  • Horus Heresy
  • Hungry Troll and the Gobbos
  • Inquistor
  • Kerrunch
  • Lost Patrol
  • Necromunda
  • Oi! Dat's My Leg!
  • Blood Bowl Team Manager
  • Squelch!
  • Stormcloud Attack
  • Titan Legions
  • Trolls in the Pantry
  • Space Hulk: Death Angel (the card game)
  • Warhammer 40,000 Kill Team
  • Chaos in the Old World
  • Forbidden Stars
  • Warhammer: Age of Sigmar (2015) Games Workshop - Piazza Discussion
  • Warhammer Quest The Silver Tower (2016)




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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Darkanth » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:07 pm

I GM'd The Enemy Within for 1st edition. It was fun, but having looked at 2nd edition since, I think 2nd runs better and would've used it to run TEW given the chance. I have the PDFs of 3rd, and I'm...................not keen (to put it mildly!). I've seen flame wars erupt over this particular topic, so I'll leave it at that, however, IMO 2nd was better than 1st for gameplay (ignoring Setting, which was waaaaaaaay too dark after 1st ed). However, where I too return to The Grimdark(tm) world of Warhammer(tm) I would use the Dark Heresy 2e engine instead. No Naked Dwarf Syndrome :lol: :lol: :lol:
1st was good, but quirky in some of it's aspects (see NDS above), whilst 2nd cleared up many of these quirks and played better (from what I'm told). I can't really comment on play-ability of 3rd as I've neither played nor GM'd it.
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Havard » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:55 pm

Darkanth wrote:I GM'd The Enemy Within for 1st edition. It was fun, but having looked at 2nd edition since, I think 2nd runs better and would've used it to run TEW given the chance. I have the PDFs of 3rd, and I'm...................not keen (to put it mildly!). I've seen flame wars erupt over this particular topic, so I'll leave it at that, however, IMO 2nd was better than 1st for gameplay (ignoring Setting, which was waaaaaaaay too dark after 1st ed). However, where I too return to The Grimdark(tm) world of Warhammer(tm) I would use the Dark Heresy 2e engine instead. No Naked Dwarf Syndrome :lol: :lol: :lol:
1st was good, but quirky in some of it's aspects (see NDS above), whilst 2nd cleared up many of these quirks and played better (from what I'm told). I can't really comment on play-ability of 3rd as I've neither played nor GM'd it.


Thanks for your input Darkanth!
I have heard great things about the Enemy Within campaign.

I have faith in The Piazza being able to avoid edition wars, but I get your general gist about 3rd edition. It confirms some of my suspicions about it, although I would still like to get my hands on a copy just in case.

How different is the Dark Heresy engine from the standard Warhammer 2nd Edition? I thought the ND syndrome was removed from 2nd ed as well?

I'll add this overview to the 1st post:
  • Warhammer FRP 1st Edition (1986) - Games Workshop
  • Warhammer FRP 2nd Edition (2006) - Black Industries (Games Workshop Subsidiary)
  • Warhammer FRP 3rd Edition (2009) Fantasy Flight Games

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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby lostanddamned » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:54 pm

Havard wrote:Warhammer Board/Miniature Games

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Your list is lacking Havard, there was also.....

[list=][*]Hero Quest
[*]Advanced Hero Quest
[*]Mighty Warriors
[*]Battlemasters
[/list]

Now admitidly Mighty Warriors and Battlemasters links to the Warhammer Fantasys Old World is slight stretching it a bit you might think, as they don't to my memory contain any referances, But MW had Skaven in it and BM had Chaos Forces in one of the armies, while the other army was directly refered to IIRC as the Empire Army.

I personally played all of those as well as Warhammer Quest (90's Version) and WFB 4th ED, which I throughly enjoyed as a 13yo lad, even if I couldn't really afford to play with big armies and really was a crap general....

Never really played WFRPG, But I do know that it had good pedigree what with most of the writers having worked for TSR UK back in the day....
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Havard » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:21 am

lostanddamned wrote:Your list is lacking Havard, there was also.....

[list=][*]Hero Quest
[*]Advanced Hero Quest
[*]Mighty Warriors
[*]Battlemasters
[/list]

Now admitidly Mighty Warriors and Battlemasters links to the Warhammer Fantasys Old World is slight stretching it a bit you might think, as they don't to my memory contain any referances, But MW had Skaven in it and BM had Chaos Forces in one of the armies, while the other army was directly refered to IIRC as the Empire Army.


Thanks! I will add all of these to the list. I didn't even know that Hero Quest and Advanced Hero Quest were connected to Warhammer. :)

I personally played all of those as well as Warhammer Quest (90's Version) and WFB 4th ED, which I throughly enjoyed as a 13yo lad, even if I couldn't really afford to play with big armies and really was a crap general....


I see what you mean. Collecting armies of miniatures does seem like a huge task. I don't think I ever played WHFB, but I liked watching the real experts set up their armies in GW stores etc.

Never really played WFRPG, But I do know that it had good pedigree what with most of the writers having worked for TSR UK back in the day....


Indeed, there is a thread talking about the connection between the TSR UK folks and Warhammer here. The TSR UK modules always held a good quality in my opinion.

Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay is a classic game. We played the 1st edition quite a bit with at least two GM's running campaigns with it when I first got into roleplaying. It seems like it was a lot more popular in Europe (and the UK) than in the US though?


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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Ashtagon » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:57 am

I started out on WFRP 1e, played 2e. I dislike the idea of 3e because it apparently uses a mechanic that requires specialised dice and cards, which tend to be notoriously easy to lose.

The Enemy Within campaign is easily one of the best story arcs ever written. Everyone should play it at least once. I understand there are conversion notes for WFRP 2e somewhere.

One of the best fansites for the WFRP line: http://www.windsofchaos.com/?page_id=19 has 2e conversions for some of the campaign books.

Mad Alfred is also pretty good: http://www.madalfred.com/Links.html
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Darkanth » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:21 pm

How different is the Dark Heresy engine from the standard Warhammer 2nd Edition? I thought the ND syndrome was removed from 2nd ed as well?

Sorry, missed your reply Havard.
The main one is the Characteristics: Perception is added rather than being a Basic Skill. Still has Talents (Feats by any other name............Bleurgh), but also has Traits (Dark Sight, Daemon, Flyer, that sort of thing). The Test Difficulties are expanded (from Trivial +60 to Hellish -60), but does away with Basic and Advanced Skills (DH 1e had these, as do Rogue Trader and Deathwatch) which I believe brings it into line with *Only War*. 28 Basic & Advanced Skills in WFRP 2e, 28 Skills in DH 2e.
And yes, NDS was removed from 2e ;)
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby genghisdon » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:01 pm

1e only (although I've looked at later eds more recently as pdf's)

best campaign I ever played in as in 1e WH
also: the enemy within campaign modules are great stuff
has some minor issues that could be easily fixed (or made worse) with a few house rules
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby The Dark » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:37 am

lostanddamned wrote:But MW had Skaven in it and BM had Chaos Forces in one of the armies, while the other army was directly refered to IIRC as the Empire Army.
Yes, it was, and the Imperial units were from locations in the Warhammer Empire - there were men-at-arms and crossbowmen from Altdorf, for example. Chaos had orcs, goblin wolfriders, warriors of chaos, knights of chaos, chaos archers, and an ogre.
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Havard » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:03 pm

Updated the list in the Original Post.

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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Gilvanblight » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:02 pm

Missing a log of games.

Warhammer Fantasy Battle was technically replaced by: Warhammer
They dropped the Fantasy Battles Name, Samwith with Warhammer 40k, started as Rogue Trader, but they dropped Rogue Trader.

Warhammer Quest The Silver Tower (just came out last year)
Heroquest - GW and Milton Bradley made some games
Advanced Heroquest - GW version of the last
Space Crusade - More MB and GW
Advanced Space Crusade - GW version
Space Fleet
Tyranid Attack
Adeptus Titanicus
Space Marine (1st and 2nd edition)
Epic 40,000
Another version just called Epic
Talisman (4 editions so far and a 5th just announaced)
Relic (40K version of Talisman)
Mordhiem: City of the Damned
Gorka Morka
Warhammer Seige
Mighty Empires
Man O War
Dread Fleet
Warhammer Quest Adventure Card Game
Battle Masters
Chaos Marauders
Ultra Marines
Warhammer: Invasion
Warhammer 40,000 Conquest
Warhammer: DiskWars
Combat Cards
Warahmmer 40,000 CCG
Warhammer Ancient Battles
Warhammer Perilous Quest
Warhammer Skirmish
Planetary Empires
Battle for Armageddon
Dungeonbowl
Adeptus Titanicus II
Assasinorum: Execution Force
Arena of Blood
Battlefleet Gothic
Blazin' Squigs
Bommerz over d Suphur River
The Bugman's Game
Dark Millennium
Deathwatch: Overkill
Doom of the Eldar
Dragon Masters
Epic Armageddon
Gorechosen
Gorkamoka
Hive War
Horus Heresy
Hungry Troll and the Gobbos
Inquistor
Kerrunch
Lost Patrol
Necromunda
Oi! Dat's My Leg!
Blood Bowl Team Manager
Squelch!
Stormcloud Attack
Titan Legions
Trolls in the Pantry
Space Hulk: Death Angel (the card game)
Warhammer 40,000 Kill Team
Chaos in the Old World
Forbidden Stars

There may be more. :D

There's a lot of Warhammer stuff out there!
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Havard » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:37 pm

Wow, that is a long list Glivanbright! :o

Thanks for helping out! :)

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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Ashtagon » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:30 pm

Regarding WFRP, it's a bit more complicated than that.

1986-1991: Games Workshop publishes WFRP 1e.
1990-1991: Flame Publications publishes WFRP 1e material (most notably the Doomstones campaign).
1995-2002: Hogshead Publishing publishes WFRP 1e material (including reprints of The Enemy Within and Doomstones; original content includes Realms of Sorcery and Dwarfs: Stone and Steel)

To my knowledge, WFRP 2e and 3e each had a single publisher.
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby The Dark » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:10 am

Ashtagon wrote:Regarding WFRP, it's a bit more complicated than that.

1986-1991: Games Workshop publishes WFRP 1e.
1990-1991: Flame Publications publishes WFRP 1e material (most notably the Doomstones campaign).
1995-2002: Hogshead Publishing publishes WFRP 1e material (including reprints of The Enemy Within and Doomstones; original content includes Realms of Sorcery and Dwarfs: Stone and Steel)

To my knowledge, WFRP 2e and 3e each had a single publisher.
2e almost did - most of it was Black Industries, but Shades of Empire and the Career Compendium were FFG.
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Blackleaf » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:36 am

What are the mechanical differences between 1e and 2e? I'm interested in the 1e adventures due to the involvement of the aforementioned TSR UK designers like Jim Bambra, etc.
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Havard » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:48 pm

Blackleaf wrote:What are the mechanical differences between 1e and 2e? I'm interested in the 1e adventures due to the involvement of the aforementioned TSR UK designers like Jim Bambra, etc.


I am not an expert on either edition, but one thing I noticed is that all the stats go from 1-100 in 2nd Edition, while in 1st edition some were on a1-100 scale, while most were on a 1-10 scale to keep things compatible with the miniatures game.

Also, careers are apparently more balanced in 2nd Edition, while as I seem to recall some of the 1st ed careers were rather useless. I also like that Halflings are immune to Chaos in 2nd edition. I once played a Halfling character in 1st edition because noone told me what a stupid idea that was.

Anyway, the editions aren't _that_ different and I think using adventures from one edition with another should be fairly easy.

I believe 3rd edition is a very different beast, but I never got a chance to check it out.

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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Gilvanblight » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:16 pm

Blackleaf wrote:What are the mechanical differences between 1e and 2e? I'm interested in the 1e adventures due to the involvement of the aforementioned TSR UK designers like Jim Bambra, etc.


They are similar but not actually compatible. There are different stats. 2e is more granular. One of the problems with 1e was that you would hit a glass ceiling after not all that that much playtime. You would max out stats and start taking careers that made no sense story wise just to get one bonus.

2e swapped out advances so you get basically half as much as 1e, so it took more than twice as long to max out a career. Combat and damage were changed quite a bit as well, not enough that it's unfamiliar but enough that it's not really compatible.

Overall though they are both very similar systems with a D100 system.
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby NPCDave » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:15 am

Just a note that the guys who did B10 Night's Dark Terror also did early 1E WFRP and the Enemy Within campaign.
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Havard » Sun May 28, 2017 9:21 pm



Added the two above to the list. The links both lead to the same place, but will update them once we have one thread for each RPG.

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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Havard » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:51 am



Added to the list.

Its a shame that Games Workshop are dividing up the lisences for their RPG settings to different publishers. It makes it more difficult to have some elements cross over between the games and universes.

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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby Blackleaf » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:31 pm

Havard wrote:
Blackleaf wrote:What are the mechanical differences between 1e and 2e? I'm interested in the 1e adventures due to the involvement of the aforementioned TSR UK designers like Jim Bambra, etc.


I am not an expert on either edition, but one thing I noticed is that all the stats go from 1-100 in 2nd Edition, while in 1st edition some were on a1-100 scale, while most were on a 1-10 scale to keep things compatible with the miniatures game.

Also, careers are apparently more balanced in 2nd Edition, while as I seem to recall some of the 1st ed careers were rather useless. I also like that Halflings are immune to Chaos in 2nd edition. I once played a Halfling character in 1st edition because noone told me what a stupid idea that was.

Anyway, the editions aren't _that_ different and I think using adventures from one edition with another should be fairly easy.

I believe 3rd edition is a very different beast, but I never got a chance to check it out.

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Thanks. I've heard mixed things about careers. The setting definitely looks up my alley odd I never got into WHFRP back in the day.
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Re: [Warhammer] WHFRP Editions

Postby shesheyan » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:09 pm

More details about the 4th edition + covers of the starter set and core book. Do you like them?

http://cubicle7.co.uk/warhammer-fantasy ... tion-news/
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