Barsoom ideas "borrowed" by other franchises

“As you know I am not of Barsoom; your ways are not my ways, and I can only act in the future as I have in the past, in accordance with the dictates of my conscience and guided by the standards of mine own people.” All RPGs based on Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom stories can be discussed here.
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I'll start mentioning how the Green Martians (Tharks) have been "borrowed" by Dark Sun as Thri-kreen with some minor reskin.
Any more?

Note: this is not a "moaning" thread, but just a way to show how fertile was Burroughs' Barsoom pulp idea "factory" and how his ideas stroke a deep, common chord, becoming widespread icons for a certain kind of setting. JRR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit did something very similar for fantasy... and Howard's Dune... etc.
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Well the whole Dark Sun is partially inspired by Barsoom I'd say. The theme of Lost cities and civilizations also was used and abused later by D&D and many others :)
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Well... in the literature there are a lot of desert planets (many of them coming from a certain view of real life Mars as it was imagined at some point), covering not only Barsoom, but also Arrakis, Tatooine, etc.
It is not automatic for any desert planet to be connected with Barsoom...
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Sure but Barsoom preceded many others, it is the first sword and sorcery/heroic fantasy setting, even if technically space romance, and the "feel" of DS I think is the most heroic fantasy of the D&D settings. I have not specific examples now but I also think the John Carter cycle had its influence on some atmosheres and places of Lankhmar.
And Barsoom clearly also inspired Conan and his age.
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Pretty much the description and society of Drow
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Was ERB the first that imagined Green Martians (in the sense of green skinned aliens)?
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Kythkyn wrote:
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Pretty much the description and society of Drow
What franchise are the Drow that you mentioning from?
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Yaztromo wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:04 am
Kythkyn wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:08 pm
Pretty much the description and society of Drow
What franchise are the Drow that you mentioning from?
The classic D&D Drow are a lot like the First Born, in look, attitude, societal structure and even choice in deity
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Indeed it is noteworthy how much Barsoom inspired classic D&D. I read the saga before I knew of D&D, so only now I'm fully realizing that. I plan to re-read the series eventually and probably I will recognize other inspirations.
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The reverse of, what other franchise are borrowing from Barsoom...and the expanded ERBverse...

I recently watched Kong: Skull Island and I freaking loved it. The ending really piqued my interest, with mentions of The Hollow Earth and Dvrgr (I think?)...I wonder just how much of the Kong/Godzilla movies are going to expound on established [fictional] mythology...perhaps with the secret bureau knowing more 'truth' about ancient Mars. There's very little I know about Kong and Godzilla pre-90s, so it could be interesting to see more hints of Barsoom and The Hollow Earth and possibly even movies taking place in those settings.

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Yaztromo wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:53 pm
Tatooine
In RotJ there were flying ships at the spot of Luke's intended execution. Those look nothing like the movie version of Barsoom, but I think they look a lot like the D'Achille version covers from The Gods of Mars.

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/imag ... 7f07cb.jpg

A similar design on the Swords of Mars cover, same artist and book printings.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bar ... 0222195405
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I think you're right!
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I can see a little sprinkle of Barsoom also here ;) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8eRzOYhLuw
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Superman was originally a rip-off of John Carter. A alien from a denser world who is very strong and able to leap over tall buildings.
George Lucas cites Barsoom as an influence. He read them in his younger years.
The ‘white man saviour’ thing seen in say Avatar and elsewhere so common now, and now that times have changed it’s questionable. John Carter is a very very early example.
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Coronoides wrote:
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Superman was originally a rip-off of John Carter. A alien from a denser world who is very strong and able to leap over tall buildings.
Wow!!! That's right! :o
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Yaztromo wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:01 pm
Coronoides wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:34 pm
Superman was originally a rip-off of John Carter. A alien from a denser world who is very strong and able to leap over tall buildings.
Wow!!! That's right! :o
Here’s one of many articles about it.
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Star Wars also has the Jedi (Jed - chiefs), Sith (bugs), Bantha (Banth), and Princess Leia's slave costume in RotJ was copied from Princess Dejah (the gold bikini).

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Morfie wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:33 am
Star Wars also has the Jedi (Jed - chiefs), Sith (bugs), Bantha (Banth), and Princess Leia's slave costume in RotJ was copied from Princess Dejah (the gold bikini).
I never realized it!!! :o :ugeek:
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Yaztromo wrote:
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Morfie wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:33 am
Star Wars also has the Jedi (Jed - chiefs), Sith (bugs), Bantha (Banth), and Princess Leia's slave costume in RotJ was copied from Princess Dejah (the gold bikini).
I never realized it!!! :o :ugeek:
These comments made me start thread about Star Wars influences here. :)

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Morfie wrote:
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I didn't remember it... had to go back to Encyclopedia Barsoomia: https://barsoom.wikia.com/wiki/Sith
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Yaztromo wrote:
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I'll start mentioning how the Green Martians (Tharks) have been "borrowed" by Dark Sun as Thri-kreen with some minor reskin.
Any more?
Weren't Thri-Kreen based on a race from Arduin, which in turn may have been inspired by Green Martians? :)

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Thri-Kreen are very similar to the Phraints of Arduin.

The resemblance is unmistakable.

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BlackBat242 wrote:
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Thri-Kreen are very similar to the Phraints of Arduin.

The resemblance is unmistakable.

http://asshatpaladins.blogspot.com/2012 ... raint.html
Ah yes, I had forgotten their name. I am not sure if Thri-Kreen were based on Phraints or both were simply inspired by Green Martians?

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I think they are both heavily inspired by the Green Martians...
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