Big Mac wrote:People are telling me the T.H. Lain novels are not set on Greyhawk
I said that in this thread
, but as I haven't read the novels, I'm not the most reliable source.
What I said exactly was: "I'm pretty sure novels that take place in something called the Kingdom of Soes have nothing to do with Greyhawk. I don't think it would fit in Western Oerik either, without some serious revision."
I'll stand by the fact that I've never seen a canon map of Oerth with places called "Kingdom of Soes" or "New Koratia" on it. I understand that Oath of Nerull
includes a city called Shantara (the accompanying article in Dragon #299 did, anyway), and that isn't a known Greyhawk reference either. That's not to say you couldn't squeeze those places somewhere on the planet (and I made a number of suggestions in the other thread), but they aren't on the official maps that I've seen. As for the authors' and publisher's intentions, I can't speak for them, but my suspicion is that they weren't originally written with Greyhawk in mind, but some Greyhawk proper nouns ended up being added to The Bloody Eye
late in the process.
"Provincial Prior Cause" seems to have been originally set in Scotland or something like it (it even has a loch), with some (but not all) of the Earthly proper nouns replaced with Oerthly proper nouns.
but how can you have an adventure that "leads into a novel" set on a different world to the novel itself.
If you don't care about continuity, you can do pretty much whatever you want. To be fair, the adventure would most likely star the player characters of the individual home games of the readers of Dungeon Magazine, not Jozan, so they can't possibly exist in the exact same continuity anyway. It's more like it potentially leads into adventures inspired by the novel.
Surely, if Dungeon Magazine 96 puts Provincial Prior Cause into a "poor quality Greyhawk", that would also put New Koratia into a "poor quality Greyhawk".
If you prefer that label, sure. In the absence of any official statement of authorial intent, the categories you assign these stories (and RPG adventure) are as valid as the categories I assign them. I called it a "strange interpretation of Greyhawk," but I didn't mean to assign a value judgment. I just meant it was divergent, not necessarily good or bad.
You may be more scrupulous about continuity than the creators of the TH Lain books were, though. It's possible that none of the other authors even knew that Johnny L Wilson mentioned the Schnai in his novel.
There is an area separate to New Koratia in at least on of the novels. New Koratia seems to be on the southern coast of some land, while the other area seems to be on the western coast of some other land.
Which is an issue in itself, since Ratik is on the eastern
coast of the Flanaess.
Is Caledon supposed to be a pagan-like god?
It's supposed to be Scotland. Or, at least, a fantasy version of Scotland. The story seems to be Johnny L Wilson's take on the legendary origin of the Freemasons. At some point in the publishing process, most of the references to "Caledon" became "Ratik."
Perhaps some worshippers of Pelor could have somehow travelled (either via spelljamming, planewalking or a portal or gate) from Oerth to another world and displaced a local religion when they arrived.
Canonically, Pelor is worshiped on multiple worlds. Even before he was introduced as part of the Nentir Vale setting or the TH Lain books, the demigoddess Mayaheine in From the Ashes
was supposed to be a paladin of Pelor from another world on the Prime Material Plane (Atlas of the Flanaess
, 94: "Mayaheine rose from mortal ranks as an epic hero, a paladin of Pelor. She does not originate from Oerth and has traveled, with Pelor’s aid, from some unknown alternate world in the Prime Material.")