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If Greyhawk advanced 100 years. What's the tech differences?

Post by kevperrine » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:37 pm

If Greyhawk advanced 100 years. What's the tech differences?
In a world of Greyhawk, the classic timeline is 576. What if you advance the timeline 100 years to 676?

What types of innovations in "technology" and magic that becomes more common place?
I am looking for ideas of spells or sciences and technology that make sense to "evolve" but not take away the "sword and sorcery" vibe of the setting.

What would the mages of the day "allow"? What about Cleric magics in the common society?
Would Boccob open the use of gunpowder to the world?

Any suggestions?
What is too far? (for example, I don't want to go to Eberron's Lightning Train tech)

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Post by snorri » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:44 pm

Greyhawk has a 12-13th century feeling to me, so maybe a 14-15th century feeling would be nice. So, it's more about social changes than technology : less knights and more mercenaries, more internationally trade, more powers to cities and bourgeoisie. About gunpowder, early canons could be available but nothing more.

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Post by ghendar » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:01 am

I don't like ramping up technology in my fantasy D&D so advancing the timeline 100 years would mean nothing in my Greyhawk.
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Post by Cthulhudrew » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:36 am

I don't know about 100 years, but this question does remind me of an article in Dragon called "Greyhawk 2000" that featured all sorts of advanced magical and technological advances in a future version of Greyhawk (as well as some political and social changes).

Google tells me it is in Dragon 277.
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Re: If Greyhawk advanced 100 years. What's the tech differences?

Post by night_druid » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:46 am

Hard to say. A lot of technology is driven by necessity. Greyhawk's development, or regression, would depend on a number of factors, including if nations are still standing in 100 years. Any number of factors could send Greyhawk back into the Stone Age, or advance them into the Stellar Age. Orcs raids, giant attacks, dragons, demons, and the like could bring down civilization. Conversely, some otherworldly artifact might advance them to rival the Federation in tech.

All that aside, I can't imagine Greyhawk advancing much in 100 years. Gunpowder doesn't work, so that avenue of advancement is completely unavailable. At best, I guess it would reach High Middle Ages to early Renaissance at best.
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Post by Big Mac » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:41 am

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Post by ripvanwormer » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:31 am

Dragon #258 had a 2e article called "Mage vs. Machine." One of its conceits was that a society of wizards had been inspired by the tech from the Barrier Peaks crash to become "machine mages."

I also recall an old forum letter in Dragon where the writer advanced their campaign by 100 years and decided eccentric nobles like those in X2 Castle Amber were now the norm and spelljammers were a common sight.

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Post by BotWizo » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:12 pm

I would imagine that the advancement would depend on the wars taking place.

If you use real world analogy, war is responsible or indirectly responsible for most new tech. Medical and Ag tech is advanced to feed the armies and keep them fighting.

There are other drivers, but I would think this would be the main driver of tech.
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Post by Dread Delgath » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:37 pm

Technology in 1000 years in the future, yes, I can see using Mage vs. Machine Dragon article, or the like, but tech advances in 100 years? Perhaps a slight improvement to wagon axles so they don't break as easily when they slam into potholes, or a slightly different stone mix for the roads - so potholes don't happen as often.

Aqueducts are a good, believable technological advancement too.

Mostly social & political advances, as Snorri mentioned.
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Re: If Greyhawk advanced 100 years. What's the tech differences?

Post by ripvanwormer » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:44 pm

Dread Delgath wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:37 pm
Technology in 1000 years in the future, yes, I can see using Mage vs. Machine Dragon article, or the like, but tech advances in 100 years?
The article in Dragon #258 didn't postulate major societal changes, just a small mage guild that had incorporated elements of technology into their magic. It was supposed to be set in the present day, a decade or so after Expedition to the Barrier Peaks.

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