[SAGA] Palanthas

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[SAGA] Palanthas

Post by Big Mac » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:30 am

I just spotted that the SAGA people created a sourcebook for Palanthas.
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I'm not too interested in Dragonlance's 5th Age, but I would like to know more about Palanthas.

How much stuff in this book is usable in the War of the Lance era?

And is there anything in this book, that is "too modern" that I would have to avoid using?
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Re: [SAGA] Palanthas

Post by Falconer » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:29 pm

Well, Palanthas is occupied by the Knights of Takhisis; actually it is part of Khellendros’s territory, and the dark knights serve him here. The Tower of High Sorcery is gone; the Temple of Paladine as far as I remember still stands but presumably there is no worship of Paladine going on there; Astinus is gone from the Great Library but it is otherwise unchanged, just under Bertrem’s leadership (easy enough to put Astinus back in). So, with these changes in mind, it is a good book if you want some solid maps of the city. It’s fleshed out okay. It’s a good read in it’s own right, being a sort of narrated guidebook (which may or may not be good for gaming). I’d say go for it.
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Re: [SAGA] Palanthas

Post by Big Mac » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:47 am

Falconer wrote:Well, Palanthas is occupied by the Knights of Takhisis; actually it is part of Khellendros’s territory, and the dark knights serve him here. The Tower of High Sorcery is gone; the Temple of Paladine as far as I remember still stands but presumably there is no worship of Paladine going on there; Astinus is gone from the Great Library but it is otherwise unchanged, just under Bertrem’s leadership (easy enough to put Astinus back in). So, with these changes in mind, it is a good book if you want some solid maps of the city. It’s fleshed out okay. It’s a good read in it’s own right, being a sort of narrated guidebook (which may or may not be good for gaming). I’d say go for it.
Thanks Falconer. (Sorry I missed this good advice, at the time.)

I think I'd be interested to learn about the occupation too. I might not want to play in the Fifth Age, but that's mostly because it doesn't really support Spelljammer/Krynnspace, like the early 2nd Edition Era material for Dragonlance does.

Perhaps I could file the serial numbers off of some of the things tied into the Fifth Age, and reuse them as inspiration for things on other worlds in Krynnspace. That would give me the ability to have a Dragonlance vibe for new things in Krynnspace. A bunch of dark knights controlling a city might even fit in a bit better with the idea of four death knights running the black market in Palanthas. Maybe this new stuff could help me make that other stuff feel less jarring.

Another possible way I could use this, could be to depart from the official Dragonlance timeline and use this book as the "desired end goal" in some sort of "plot for a takeover of Palanthas" in an earlier era. Or maybe one of those Alternate Krynns that Legends of the Twins has.

I'll put this on my wishlist. :cool:
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Re: [SAGA] Palanthas

Post by Jayce » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:46 pm

Big Mac wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:47 am
I think I'd be interested to learn about the occupation too. I might not want to play in the Fifth Age, but that's mostly because it doesn't really support Spelljammer/Krynnspace, like the early 2nd Edition Era material for Dragonlance does.

Perhaps I could file the serial numbers off of some of the things tied into the Fifth Age, and reuse them as inspiration for things on other worlds in Krynnspace. That would give me the ability to have a Dragonlance vibe for new things in Krynnspace. A bunch of dark knights controlling a city might even fit in a bit better with the idea of four death knights running the black market in Palanthas. Maybe this new stuff could help me make that other stuff feel less jarring.

Another possible way I could use this, could be to depart from the official Dragonlance timeline and use this book as the "desired end goal" in some sort of "plot for a takeover of Palanthas" in an earlier era. Or maybe one of those Alternate Krynns that Legends of the Twins has.

I'll put this on my wishlist. :cool:
I think you may be overestimating how deeply the Palanthas book is tied into the Age of Mortals. Honestly, there really isn't any need for changing timelines or filing off of serial numbers. Even the parts that refer to the Fifth Age specifically reveal that Palanthas really didn't change all that much, in spite of it being under the control of the Dark Knights. But more importantly the actually book describes what the city looked like in different eras. It's really barely a Fifth Age book at all, and it actually doesn't cover Palanthas up to the time of the Fifth Age boxed set, only going up to the early Age of Mortals, just after the Summer of Chaos, with the exception of a small handful of quotes scattered around the book. I've used this book quite extensively, and up until last night I had never really run a Fifth Age campaign. I'd say the book is fully compatible with the Age of Despair. It may be part of the Fifth Age product line, officially, but I'd describe it as a Palanthas sourcebook for both eras, but one that's ultimately better suited for the Fourth Age than the later Fifth Age
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Re: [SAGA] Palanthas

Post by Falconer » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:55 pm

Big Mac wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:47 am
Another possible way I could use this, could be to depart from the official Dragonlance timeline and use this book as the "desired end goal" in some sort of "plot for a takeover of Palanthas" in an earlier era. Or maybe one of those Alternate Krynns that Legends of the Twins has.
One thing in Stan!’s intro that always caught my imagination was his desire to design “Krynn’s City State of the Invincible Overlord”. Between that and the adventures in DoSF, I have ever since loved the idea of Palanthas being ruled by Lawful Evil Dark Knights. There’s a semblance of order, but you’re still the underdog.
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Re: [SAGA] Palanthas

Post by Big Mac » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:01 am

Jayce wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:46 pm
I think you may be overestimating how deeply the Palanthas book is tied into the Age of Mortals. Honestly, there really isn't any need for changing timelines or filing off of serial numbers. Even the parts that refer to the Fifth Age specifically reveal that Palanthas really didn't change all that much, in spite of it being under the control of the Dark Knights. But more importantly the actually book describes what the city looked like in different eras. It's really barely a Fifth Age book at all, and it actually doesn't cover Palanthas up to the time of the Fifth Age boxed set, only going up to the early Age of Mortals, just after the Summer of Chaos, with the exception of a small handful of quotes scattered around the book. I've used this book quite extensively, and up until last night I had never really run a Fifth Age campaign. I'd say the book is fully compatible with the Age of Despair. It may be part of the Fifth Age product line, officially, but I'd describe it as a Palanthas sourcebook for both eras, but one that's ultimately better suited for the Fourth Age than the later Fifth Age.
Thanks Jayce. I've put this onto my Dragonlance wishlist. :)
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Re: [SAGA] Palanthas

Post by Big Mac » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:22 am

Falconer wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:55 pm
Big Mac wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:47 am
Another possible way I could use this, could be to depart from the official Dragonlance timeline and use this book as the "desired end goal" in some sort of "plot for a takeover of Palanthas" in an earlier era. Or maybe one of those Alternate Krynns that Legends of the Twins has.
One thing in Stan!’s intro that always caught my imagination was his desire to design “Krynn’s City State of the Invincible Overlord”. Between that and the adventures in DoSF, I have ever since loved the idea of Palanthas being ruled by Lawful Evil Dark Knights. There’s a semblance of order, but you’re still the underdog.
I'm still way back in the early era with the Dragonlance novels, so I don't want to skip forward too fast, but Palanthas being ruled by Lawful Evil Dark Knights does sound interesting.

The Dragonlance Chronicles novels pretty much show the Companions fleeing from the forces of evil, but Kitiara walked right into the heart of the evil area, while the others were exploring different parts of Ansalon. So it is possible for PCs to hang around an evil civilisation.
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