apotheot wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:08 am
The real issue is that time might not flow at the same rate in different Crystal Spheres. Since the start of player involvement in Dragonlance, on two different occasions time advanced much faster than it did on other worlds. (between the Blue Lady's War and Chaos War, and from the Chaos War the start of 5th Age.) so as I said, trying to date current 5e Dragonlance is pretty subjective.
I don't think I've ever read anything to suggest that different Spelljammer crystal spheres have time advancing at different speeds.
I remember reading something once that said something like: "The absence of information is not information".
So I would keep time the same everywhere.
But I think we are missing something here.
Let's go back to Havard's first post:
Havard wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:13 pm
AC504 Corresponds to Current 5E Forgotten Realms Timeline
Do we actually need to work out this date?
If we are planning a Dragonlance/Forgotten Realms crossover campaign (or something involving Spelljammer, Planescape or Ravenloft) maybe we do.
But if we just need a Dragonlance Timeline, then I would suggest that the TSR, WotC, Sovereign Press and MWP gaming products, Dragon and Dungeon Magazine articles, novels and comics are the only things we need to concern ourselves with.
Given the major time jump that WotC gave Forgotten Realms for the 4th Edition Realms product line, getting other campaign settings to "catch up" would require a ton of changes.
We don't know if a hypothetical 5e Dragonlance book would use a time jump or not...and won't know until they publish one.
We might be able to have a guess, from the 4th Edition Dark Sun and Eberron products or the Ghosts of Saltmarsh
book. Do any of those things throw in a 100 odd year time jump to "catch up with the Realms"?
I don't recall ever hearing fans talking about a Dark Sun of Eberron time jump, but I've not read Ghosts of Saltmarsh
So I agree that trying to work out a date for the 5e Realms products on the Dragonlance timeline (which I am not convinced will
be the date of a hypothetical 5e Dragonlance product) is subjective. But if you look at the dates from Paul's research (and any other research that anyone else can provide) I would be inclined to infer a constant rate of time in all D&D worlds. So if - for argument's sake - I decided there was an error margin of say 17 years (from 581 CY minus 564 CY) from the results, I would be inclined to extrapolate the same 17 year error margin to the 1st Edition Era, 2nd Edition Era, 3rd Edition Era, 4th Edition Era and 5th Edition Era.
However, there is another thing to consider and that is the "Takhisis steals Krynn" thing. During the Second Cataclysm Takhisis manages to distract all the gods (and presumaby the High God too) and moves Krynn to another place, with a different sun and a different moon. I don't know if this is supposed to be a different crystal sphere (in Spelljammer terms) or a different plane (in Planescape terms). I have not read that era of novels yet, but I don't think it's ever explained.
The other gods eventually turn up, but the question of time passing differently (for Krynn and the rest of Krynnspace) could apply. We don't have any evidence.
And all existing links to Spelljammer and Planescape might have been broken by this Second Cataclysm plotline. (In some ways the Second Cataclysm is as radical a change for Dragonlance, as the Spellplague is for Forgotten Realms. Both throw up challenges that can be an opportunity for some fans or a headach for others.)
I think that these sort of questions are a big rabbit hole that takes us away from working out the Dragonlance timeline itself. So I think it would probably be best to focus on the timeline an have spin off discussions for how Krynn relates to other settings.