Birthright = Game of Thrones?

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Birthright = Game of Thrones?

Post by willpell » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:06 am

I have recently begun reading A Song of Ice and Fire, after long avoiding it (just began on the second volume today). Knowing very little about Birthright, I was wondering whether Aebrynis and Westeros might have anything in common, beyond the utterly superficial fact of having a lot of knights and other feudal trappings. How comparable are the two by default, and would it be appropriate to use one as inspiration when adapting the other?

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Re: Birthright = Game of Thrones?

Post by Marco Fossati » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:30 am

You can surely play a Birthright campaign as a kind of aSoIaF novel.

Both have got many common features.

The most intriguing is that the lead designer of the setting is one Ed Stark and in the preface of the boxed set he states that after the college he had written a novel (unpublished) whose title is "Kingslayer"

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Re: Birthright = Game of Thrones?

Post by Big Mac » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:16 pm

You might be interested in the following two topics:
willpell wrote:How comparable are the two by default, and would it be appropriate to use one as inspiration when adapting the other?
If you want to explore this from the other end, the forum tag for both* the Game of Thrones RPG and the A Song of Ice and Fire RPG is "[Westeros]".

* = If there is ever a big enough fanbase to support a bespoke forum, it will be one forum for both RPGs.
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Re: Birthright = Game of Thrones?

Post by agathokles » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:43 pm

They certainly have some aspects in common, including the focus on rulers and war.

On the other hand, Birthright is much more Tolkienesque as a setting: even compared with other AD&D settings, Birthright tends towards the more "legendary" interpretation of, e.g., character races. Whereas in many D&D settings, Dwarves and Elves are relatively similar to humans, in Birthright they are dwindling elder races.
Moreover, the theme of divine bloodlines and their very tangible impact on the setting (awnshegh and many monsters are derived from divine bloodlines in Birthright).

So, it seems to me it would be relatively easy to port the rulership and war rules to Westeros, but less easy to reuse other elements.

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Re: Birthright = Game of Thrones?

Post by willpell » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:41 pm

agathokles wrote:They certainly have some aspects in common, including the focus on rulers and war.

On the other hand, Birthright is much more Tolkienesque as a setting: even compared with other AD&D settings, Birthright tends towards the more "legendary" interpretation of, e.g., character races. Whereas in many D&D settings, Dwarves and Elves are relatively similar to humans, in Birthright they are dwindling elder races.
That sounds cool to me. I try to split the difference with these approaches in Whiteleaf, but it's hard to do. Definitely must check out Birthright material at some point to see how they do it.
Moreover, the theme of divine bloodlines and their very tangible impact on the setting (awnshegh and many monsters are derived from divine bloodlines in Birthright).
Less pleased by this. But oh well.

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Re: Birthright = Game of Thrones?

Post by Angelika Tatsu » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:50 am

Birthright would play very well as a Pathfinder Campaign Setting alongside Mythic Adventures, using Mythic Paths for bloodlines.
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Re: Birthright = Game of Thrones?

Post by Delazar78 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:47 pm

Well, the Birthright Campaign Setting was written by (N)Ed Stark... coincidence?

The seat of power of Anuire is called the "Iron Throne"...

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Re: Birthright = Game of Thrones?

Post by Marco Fossati » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:52 am

Delazar78 wrote:Well, the Birthright Campaign Setting was written by (N)Ed Stark... coincidence?
Who (Stark author of BR setting) said he had previouslt written an unpublished novel named "Kingslayer" ;)

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Re: Birthright = Game of Thrones?

Post by rabindranath72 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:46 pm

Marco Fossati wrote: The most intriguing is that the lead designer of the setting is one Ed Stark and in the preface of the boxed set he states that after the college he had written a novel (unpublished) whose title is "Kingslayer"
Nope, that was Rich Baker, in the foreword to the Atlas of Cerilia. The original BR authors are Baker and McComb. Ed Stark wrote some stuff later.

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