Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. The Moon Breaker is an eldritch machine built by the Giants. In this machine was a series of crystal spheres that the Giants magically linked to the moons (themselves somehow connected to the planes). Upon the destruction of one of the spheres, the moon it was connected to vanished. This was Crya. The Giants were using some form of sympathetic magic
, like an elaborate voodoo doll. There are no crystal spheres in space as far as we know.
Maybe you were not clear, but I suspect the sources are what confused me.
I've been looking around, as well, and I thought I saw something that mentioned them, myself. But I can't find what I found before now.
enderxenocide0 wrote:This all comes form The Shattered Land and The Gates of Night, but I'd recommend reading City of Towers first.
Sounds good to me. I'll add them to my list and start looking for them.
EDIT: The City of Towers
located and ordered.
Big Mac wrote:So I'm confused about the moons being stated as having different periods (and distances from Eberron) but also apparently being associated with 28 day months. Something is wrong here.
And even if we did have 28 day periods for each moon (that may or may not have something to do with their orbit...or the position of the planes...or something going on with these Eberron crystal spheres, what happened when the 13th moon was still around? Did Eberron originally have a year that was 28 days longer? Or was every month a bit shorter back then?
...And they also talk as if the moons each have 28 days of brightness per year, which does not seem to add up to me, when they have different orbital periods.)...
It seems to me that the only logical explanation is that the months were shorter. Months, and calendars in general, are artificial constructions of society. A 13th moon should not affect how long it takes for Eberron to orbit the sun. I also always assumed that the 28 days of brightness for each moon was something unnatural. It says it's unusually bright, which made me think that one moon became really, really noticeable during those 28 days. It seems natural that a society would thus name a month after this super bright celestial body. I also assume that when there were 13 moons, the ascendant phase of each moon would have been shorter. Math tells me it should be around 25.8 days. Older civilizations would thusly have designed their lunar calendars around those shorter months. Another option is that it also had 28 days of brightness, which means the lunar calendar would not match the solar year. This is entirely possible and happens in real life as well. The societies would have a lunisolar calendar in this case, if they even bothered with the moon's ascendant phase at that point. Given that the two largest civilizations would have been the Giants and the Dragons, who both had knowledge of the moons' relations to the planes, I'd wager a lunisolar calendar would make sense for them.
OK. I think I agree with your logic on the brightness. Eberron is a fantasy planet, so it is possible for something magical to make the moons brighter - one by one - over the course of a year.
Howevever, with the moons all having phases, they are going to be bright but also waxing, waning, full or new.
I do concur with your logic of the brightness spending less time with 13 moons. But then again - who knows - maybe it still spent 28 days with each moon and we had 12 lunar months in one Eberron year, but the months moved backwards by one month per year.
Big Mac wrote:After typing these into a table, I can see that the distances of the moons is in a totally different order to the orbital periods of the moons. While I think it is possible that the moons further away from Eberron could be orbiting faster than moons nearer than Eberron, I don't think this is the case. And the statement that 'Each moon has an "ascendant phase" -- a 28-day period during which it is unusually bright.' just does not fit in with 11 of the moons having periods longer than 28 days. That would only seem to work if they had some sort of inner light. (And if that was the case, we would need to be told the times of the year when that happens.)
I agree that those further from Eberron should have longer periods. But, frankly, I attribute this to laziness and error on the part of the cosmology tool makers. I don't think they bothered to take the time to figure it out. Given that the Moons of Eberron article was written by Keith, I'd use that as prime canon. Anything that contradicts it would be secondary. And while the tool doesn't directly
contradict it, there is a low probability of it being correct, given the dragonshard article.
One thing I have considered doing, is to take the mathematics (the orbital periods) of the tool, but move the numbers around, so that they match the distances from Eberron given in Keith Baker's Dragonshards article.
That would not strictly be canon, but it would be fanon that puts a band-aid on the canon. And it would fix all the moons except our 13th moon. We still need to work out if that was an "outer moon" or an "inner moon" to guess the orbital period, but I would gamble it followed the same mathematical progression.
enderxenocide0 wrote:Other moon-related info:
Dragonmarked, page 8 has this sentence "Some scholars claim that the dragonmarks represent primal forces, and are tied to both the moons of Eberron and the planes."
OK. This is making more sense to me...but it leaves me wanting a list of what moon and what plane are associated with each dragonmark. Sure it is "some scholars" so maybe this is supposed to be a red herring, but if the theory exists, there should really be a list somewhere.
enderxenocide0 wrote:Explorer's Handbook, page 116 describe an Argonnessen Observatory: "Each of the thirteen spheres is identi- cal, crafted of solid iron and floating in the sky around the main tower. A Large air elemental is bound to a single Khyber dragonshard that sits atop each sphere. This provides the spheres with their ability to float, though their positions are controlled from the tower.
I have the Explorer's Handbook
I need to check to see if the Argonnessen Observatory is anything like the Starpeaks Observatory
(Eberron Campaign Setting
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OK. So I'm guessing that the Starpeaks Observatory would have less stuff going on with it, as it was not finished, before the person who commissioned it died. But generally, it looks like people use observatories for astrology and/or scrying.
enderxenocide0 wrote:The spheres are constructed with three rotating rings, each of which can be manually set to one of thirteen positions by any creature that can fly to them. Runes representing each of the thirteen moons (twelve extant, one historical), the thirteen planes of existence, and the thirteen Siberys dragonmarks (including the lost Mark of Death) line the rings.
By manually rotating each sphere’s rings to one of 2,197 runic combinations, a creature can attempt to fine tune its ability to scry from inside the observatory."
One thing I'm not sure on if this ability to scry applies to Eberron...or if it applies to the various planes and moons.
...and if it applies to the moons, can the dragon try to scry on the 13th Moon.