Great map, Chimp, and useful tool for migrations and the like!
Thanks Zen! This is exactly the kind of discussion that I want to have, so thanks a lot for bringing up these points. Of course my first objective in detailing this map is to develop an actual playable (and hopefully) fun setting - Mystara 2300 BC. Secondly (and I try to keep this in the back of my mind at all times) is that I want to create something that is as consistent as possible with pre-existing sources (both canon and fanon). In some cases I have to make a judgement call (based entirely on my own personal preferences - since I intend that I should enjoy myself while doing this work). So take what I've done with that in mind. Having said that...
I couldn't exempt from comparing your map with HW Precataclysmic Map. Now, while it's true that elemental upheavals caused by the Great Rain of Fire could have changed the face of the outer world in quite a random way, but in general I'd expect to see some consistency between lands and landbridges in AC 3000 and the same in AC 2300. I mean that I find quite unlikely (but this could just be me
) that a landbridges not featured in AC 3000 would show up in AC 2300 - at least, this shouldn't be the rule in my opinion.
[Aside first - but I assume we are talking about BC dates and not AC dates
] I have to admit that I need to spend more time looking at the HW Precataclysmic Map. There are a couple of assumptions that I'm making when I work on my historical maps - and I know that some of these will disagree with assumptions that other folks make, but that's ok
1) Blackmoor was located on Skothar, and not in the Know World region of Brun.
2) The GRoF caused an axial tilt.
3) The pre-GRoF northern polar opening was located in Ethengar (meaning that after the axial tilt frozen lands would have been shifted south some distance).
4) Warmer (unfrozen) lands were shifted north after the GRoF (meaning that these would probably fill up with water/ice in the following centuries).
5) The same thing is happening in the southern polar region.
The overall results of all of these things means that Mystara enters into a mini-ice age right after the GRoF. If this is the case then we might expect rapid changes in coastal lines from the pre-GRoF era to the post-GRoF era. Massive glaciers shift into warmer regions overnight, while warmer regions shift into frozen lands. IMO the ice buildup is going to happen fairly quickly in the new poles (and if we assume that the shift, fallout, and whatever other aftereffects came with the GRoF drop the overall temperature of the planet), then the pre-existing glacial lands will be slow to recede. This could cause water levels to drop - at least in the short term.
We do know that the glacial lands in Glantri and Rockhome start to recede circa BC 2500... so at this point water levels might start rising again. By BC 1700 we have some pretty massive changes perhaps caused in part by the oceans once again "filling" up.
Having said all of the above, we can probably minimize some of the differences you list below.
Zendrolion wrote:- Alatian landbridges: in HW map, Aegos is connected via a landbridge to the Isle of Dawn, while Aeria isn't. In your map, we found that Aeria is connected to the Isle of Dawn and Bellissaria, while Aegos isn't anymore. I'd suggest - if any - to keep the landbridge at Aegos as in HW map, at least.
I'll review this one - and I suspect that the change you mention shouldn't disrupt the setting at all since not much work has been done in that area as of yet.
Zendrolion wrote:- Alphatia landbridges: in HW map, Alphatia is connencted to the Isle of Dawn only at Thothia, lacking the northernmost landbridge found in your map at Dunadale. Also, the Yannivey Chain seems already split into a number of individual islands in HW map, not connected via a landbridge to main Alphatia; it's unlikely that these islands became a large island after the GRoF, only to split again later - I mean, I'd avoid this if not absolutely necessary.
Ahh... I believe that I took the northernmost bridge here from Old Dawg's pre-cataclysmic map. I'm not sure what kind of implication removing this bridge would have for the GazF work. I've also recently incorporated it into the Shimmering Lands timeline as a means for early colonization of Hurgon (aka Denwarf-Hurgon) in Alphatia. This ties in to some of the more recent work Bruce has done in his blog treatments of Alphatia. If this bridge is very close to sea level (as I suspect it is), then perhaps it could have "risen" and "sunk" in a very short period of time (possibly multiple times) as water and ice levels adjust across the planet?
The Yannivey Chain bridge (I'm pretty sure), was all me... but it's not something that I'm married to. I just wanted to create a more consistent look in relation to all of the other land bridges in the area. This is something that could be removed (or refined) without any problems though. I'll look at it again in a little more detail (making sure to take reference of the HW Map this time
Zendrolion wrote:- Bellissaria landbridges: the island-continent is connected only to Esterhold in HW map (through a northern Notrion landbridge); landbridge from Spearpoint area to southern Minaea is not featured in AC 3000 map.
Once again, I think this comes from Old Dawg's map. With regard to BC 2300 I don't think it has a significant impact one way or the other, but I'd actually like to hear what Old Dawg's thoughts on the subject are and why he chose to create a land bridge there. You still around Old Dawg?
Zendrolion wrote:- Known World/Norwold/Isle of Dawn landbridges: in AC 3000 landbridges connect the Isle of Dawn to the KW through Redstone-Soderfjord area, and to Norwold through Helskir-Oceansend (more or less) area. The two islands in front of Oceansend (Walruses' and Dogs' isles) don't appear in HW map, while they do in your map: what about having them originating from the collapse/submersion of the Helskir landbridge and of part of the "old" Norwold coast in front of Oceansend?
This could be doable... but give me a bit more time to mull this over. I need to look at the maps in a bit more detail here (something I can't do well at the moment).
Moreover (I suspect I may have already risen this issue in the past - if so, I apologize
) the landbridge connecting the Isle of Dawn to the KW in your map is found in the Ostland area, not in the Redstone-Soderfjord area like in the HW map. Now, I know this is due to your work on the Shimmering Lands, so it's perfectly acceptable (and this is a case of "absolute necessity"
Ok... it must be my thick head or something, but I never really recognized this until just now. Actually as far as Shimmering Lands history goes, all I really require is a land bridge to the Isle of Dawn... whether it connects in Redstone or somewhere else is less relevant. So as far as BC 2300 history goes, I think I could make this change without much impact. As far as my maps go... well that would be more impact
. I'm not sure I would change the Brunian connection (Ostland through to Vestland), but I might be able to change the IoD connection fairly easily. It has the added benefit of making the northern inner sea a little larger. Looking at Old Dawg's map again, it looks like this is exactly what he does (
don't know how I misread that in the first place...) . Anyway, let me think about the impact of doing something like this a bit more.