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From the Realms not in the boxed set thread:
Cthulhudrew wrote:There are also some "fire dwarves" mentioned in the volcanic region of the Icevale elves. There is a realm of frost giants to the west of the Antalian wastes. (All from PWA1013, I believe.)
Anyone know anything about this? IIRC the 1013 Almanac is the Joshuan Almanac which does not detail the Hollow World. I checked the 1012 Alamanac (PWA3) last night, but could not find anything. Anyone know more?

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It can't be in JA, as you say. A reference to fire dwarves is found in MA 1016, though, and comes straight from the Icevale Elves entry in PWA III (at the end of the Notables Sites paragraph).

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Thanks! I will read up on these sources this afternoon.

The name Fire Dwarves is pretty evocative. I wonder what this culture would be like. Would they be a subrace (elemental subtype) or simply a culture adapted to living near volcanoes? What is their history on the Outer World (if any)? Connected to the Shimmering Lands?

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According to PWA, they are unusual creatures, so they probably aren't truly dwarves, but likely elemental beings of some kind. Perhaps the Azer?

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agathokles wrote:According to PWA, they are unusual creatures, so they probably aren't truly dwarves, but likely elemental beings of some kind. Perhaps the Azer?
PWA 3 does make use of some AD&D creatures so Azers might well be what they had in mind. I prefer us making up something uniquely Mystaran though. But I think you are right that a race living inside a volcano must be a kind of elemental or similar type of creature. Perhaps using the Sky Gnome Class as a basis, but replacing their air based abilities with fire based ones could be a starting point for such a race?

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I'm not terribly sure I'd want something "uniquely Mystaran", especially if the concept originally intended was an existing extraplanar being.
That said, the Sky Gnome (or Earth Gnome) with Fire-based abilities could work in a pinch.

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In CM6, the ancient dwarves had to travel to a distant island to acquire the first Forge of Power from a hephaeston. What if one clan, rather than taking their forge and leaving, decided to remain with the hephaeston as his apprentices? And they evolved into the fire dwarves, or azer. When their island was destroyed in the Great Rain of Fire, they fled into the Inner Planes and became a race of dwarves so distinctive that rather than seeing them all enslaved and possibly exterminated by the efreet in a later era, Kagyar preserved some of them in the Hollow World.

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Nice background, indeed.
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Yeah, I like this too. The connections to CM6 and the Hephaestons helps keep it grounded in Mystara/BECMI lore which appeals to me personally. :)
I also like the connections to Hephaestons because those are creatures I have not been able to use much. I did use one on a quest involving a Dwarven Cleric PC, so this fits well with my perception of that race. Not sure if CM6 was in the back of my head back then or not. I do like that they are connected to the Forges of Power though. Perhaps there are Hepheastons in this mountain realm as well?

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CM6 isn't set in Mystara but in another world, Aelos, described as a parallel world.
So those dwarves cannot be destroyed by the Great Rain of Fire. Anyway, you can always decide CM6 is set in Mystara's ancient past or that Ka moved them from Aelos to the Hollow World.
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Sturm wrote:CM6 isn't set in Mystara but in another world, Aelos, described as a parallel world.
So those dwarves cannot be destroyed by the Great Rain of Fire. Anyway, you can always decide CM6 is set in Mystara's ancient past or that Ka moved them from Aelos to the Hollow World.
Ah yes, good point. Perhaps we could assume that a similar story happened with some Blackmoor Era dwarves from Mystara, seeking out a Hephaeston for a Forge of Power and escaping to the Plane of Fire after the Blackmoor Cataclysm?

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Sturm wrote:CM6 isn't set in Mystara but in another world, Aelos, described as a parallel world.
So those dwarves cannot be destroyed by the Great Rain of Fire.
Indeed, but they are destroyed (at least in one timeline) by the Oards. So Kagyar (if he is the patron of Dwarves also in Aelos) might still have moved some of them to the Hollow World, before the PCs' interference in the timeline.

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You bring up an interesting question, GP, if the Immortals allow cultures from other worlds to be moved to the Hollow World.

I think this is interesting because one of the two links between Mystara and Thunder Rift is the Sega Genesis game where Duke Barrik and his castle/town are transported to the Hollow World.

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"Warriors of the Eternal Sun", yes.

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