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Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:10 pm
by Havard
Which countries/Cultures have been added to the Hollow World after the release of the HW boxed set?

Realms from Published Sources:
Floating Continents from Published Material
  • Oostdok (Voyage of the Princess Ark, PWA series)
  • Ashmorain (HWA 2)
  • Alphatia, Floating Continent of (Wrath of the Immortals)
  • Hiak-lor (Only mentioned in the HW Boxed Set.)
  • Cassia (PWA 1012)
  • Chijioke (PWA 1012)
  • Disa (PWA 1012)
  • Gowon (PWA 1012)
  • Kjell (PWA 1012)
  • Resi (PWA 1012)
  • Tama (PWA 1012)
See a more complete list of Floating Continents in this thread.

Fan Created Realms
  • Thonian Blackshirts
  • The Selhomarr Empire
  • Kingdom of Bahlor
  • Muskoxtaur Tundras
  • Blackmoor
  • Thonian Empire
  • Afridhi Empire
  • Peshwah Steppes
  • Skandaharian Jarldoms
  • The Wilderlands
  • Islandia
  • Jakandor
  • Saurial Vale
  • Engloutis Archipelago
  • Werehawks (on a floating continent)
  • Chambahara, the shapechangers of Sind (the could exist unseen in one of the cities of Shajapur)
  • Frogmen (a valley on the Blacklore peninsula with frogmen, their killer frog minions and a replica of the Temple of the Frog)
Edit: This map could be useful in placing some of these realms.

Realms from the HW Boxed Set
  • Hutaakan Valley
  • Beastman Wastes
  • Kogolor Dwarves
  • Krugel Horde (Orcs)
  • Kingdom of Nithia
  • Kingdom of Milenia
  • Merry Pirates
  • Tanagoro Kingdoms
  • Blacklore Elves
  • Traladar Kingdoms
  • Malpheggi Lizardmen
  • Neathar Tribes
    • Toralai (Bison Tribe)
    • Makai (Sea Tribe)
    • Balarai (Forrest Tribe)
    • Hiak-Rai (Hawk Tribe)
    • Valgrai (Wolf Tribe)
  • Icevale Elves
  • Brute Men
  • Jennite Horseriders
  • Kubbits
  • Gentle Folk (Elves)
  • Antilian Kingdoms
  • Kingdom of Azca
  • Oltec Lands
  • The Lighthouse
  • Schattenalfen (Elves)

Havard

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:06 pm
by Chimpman
Havard wrote:* The Highlands (VotPA reference of a Radience based realm in the HW)
Which issue is this in?

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:41 pm
by Havard
Chimpman wrote:
Havard wrote:* The Highlands (VotPA reference of a Radience based realm in the HW)
Which issue is this in?
I wasn't able to find it last time I checked. It is in the letters column in some issue. The name Highlands isn't canon. What Bruce Heard mentions is the idea of a magic based realm directly below Glantri City, which might be able to draw power from the Radience. The Fanon elaboration was that this could be a preserved version of the Flaem dominated "Highlands" from the Dragonlord Trilogy.

Havard

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:32 pm
by Chimpman
Ahh! Thanks Havard, that is indeed very interesting, and something I've never heard before.

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:35 pm
by Havard
Chimpman wrote:Ahh! Thanks Havard, that is indeed very interesting, and something I've never heard before.
Its just a sentence or two in a VotPA letters column. But ofcourse, that does give in a ring of officialness.. ;)

Havard

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:36 pm
by Hugin
Havard wrote:Its just a sentence or two in a VotPA letters column. But ofcourse, that does give in a ring of officialness.. ;)
Of course... :D

Really. I actually meant that.

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:03 pm
by Seer of Yhog
Random thought of the day...

Thinking about fan-made cultures, would I be right (and this is directed in particular to Chimpman and Hugin, the GazH think tank) in assuming that we would want James Mishler's Empire of Baahlor to remain as he wrote it (that's is, vampiric), or would we actually have two Taymoran cultures - the first being the vampiric one once the humans reasserted themselves, and the second being the human culture when BC 1700 finished the job?

Just thinking....

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:43 pm
by Chimpman
Seer of Yhog wrote:Random thought of the day...

Thinking about fan-made cultures, would I be right (and this is directed in particular to Chimpman and Hugin, the GazH think tank) in assuming that we would want James Mishler's Empire of Baahlor to remain as he wrote it (that's is, vampiric), or would we actually have two Taymoran cultures - the first being the vampiric one once the humans reasserted themselves, and the second being the human culture when BC 1700 finished the job?

Just thinking....
I don't see why we couldn't have more than one Taymor being saved (at different periods in history). The only issue that I see is that James based his Taymor on Babylonian culture (IIRC) whereas it looks like we are agreeing that they should have more of a Minoan feel.

If one were going to do such a thing, I don't know that I'd put the cultures in the same place either. The Baylor empire could stay where it is (possibly less an empire that originally intended - I do think the vampires would organize more in a city state structure), but the human dominated Taymor should be placed somewhere else.

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:45 pm
by Seer of Yhog
Hmmm...I'd agree - drop the Babylonian theme and, as you say, establish the vampiric Taymoran culture as a single city-state shielded by one stationary floating continent (or a similar mechanism). It should be on a suitably bleak seashore. The human Taymoran culture should definitely be far away, and on or close to the sea. It should also be far enough away from the Traldar to differentiate them, too.

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:57 pm
by Hugin
Based on my limited knowledge of James' work and what we have established about the canonical Taymor, I'm inclined to agree with what Chimpman said! :D

However, the GazH project (from my position anyway) won't be dealing with the peoples or events inside the Hollow World.

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:33 am
by Bonetti
One possibility for the vampiric Taymor is that if gravity is reversed on a single floating continent, they could live on the underside (taking a note from the cavern with the City of the Stars in it). That would keep them relatively isolated, pretty heavily limiting their contact with other peoples.

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:36 pm
by happylarry
this is slightly OT but I've just had a vision of a floating islands with reversed gravity where vampires live on the underside. mostely it floats over the sea, but sometimes it ends up over land for a few hours and days. Long enought for a bit of night and some vampiric visitors

nothing to do with taymor. just saying.

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:36 pm
by hyrieus
Dragon 161 has Haldemar attacked by a tribe of savage elves as he makes his way into the Hollow World. I think it's possible that they represent a culture of elves that arose directly after the Great Rain of Fire and the freezing of Evergrun. As their technology stops working elven survivors either flee, perish or turn feral. I'd imagine that the Spell of Preservation must be particularly irksome to the Entropic immortals so they would look to ways to subvert it. Hel for example might choose to be contrary and preserve this post apocalyptic elven "culture", placing them in or just above the anti magic zone at the polar extreme of the Hollow World, preserving their barbarity. They may have gone cannabalistic ala "The Road", indeed in the outer world where these tribes ultimately collapse, some of their descendents could have travelled north to eventually become the N'djatwa elfogres.

It may also be useful to consider which cultures should exist in the Hollow World, e.g.
The Sohktari manscorpions (possibly in the Nithian desert)
Werehawks (on a floating continent)
Chambahara, the shapechangers of Sind (the could exist unseen in one of the cities of Shajapur)
Frogmen (a valley on the Blacklore peninsula with frogmen, their killer frog minions and a replica of the Temple of the Frog)

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:32 pm
by Havard
hyrieus wrote:Dragon 161 has Haldemar attacked by a tribe of savage elves as he makes his way into the Hollow World. I think it's possible that they represent a culture of elves that arose directly after the Great Rain of Fire and the freezing of Evergrun. As their technology stops working elven survivors either flee, perish or turn feral. I'd imagine that the Spell of Preservation must be particularly irksome to the Entropic immortals so they would look to ways to subvert it. Hel for example might choose to be contrary and preserve this post apocalyptic elven "culture", placing them in or just above the anti magic zone at the polar extreme of the Hollow World, preserving their barbarity. They may have gone cannabalistic ala "The Road", indeed in the outer world where these tribes ultimately collapse, some of their descendents could have travelled north to eventually become the N'djatwa elfogres.
Excellent ideas for these elves! I would also like to see some true Evergrun Elves.
It may also be useful to consider which cultures should exist in the Hollow World, e.g.
The Sohktari manscorpions (possibly in the Nithian desert)
Sohktari? where's that name from? I like the idea though. There are mentions of manscorpions in this area in HWA1.
Werehawks (on a floating continent)
Definately!
Chambahara, the shapechangers of Sind (the could exist unseen in one of the cities of Shajapur)
Very cool. In HWA3 many of those assasins are transformed into Dopplegangers. I have always wanted to do more with those guys...
Frogmen (a valley on the Blacklore peninsula with frogmen, their killer frog minions and a replica of the Temple of the Frog)
Gotta have Frogmen. Maybe some connection to Stodos?

Havard

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:41 pm
by Chimpman
hyrieus wrote:It may also be useful to consider which cultures should exist in the Hollow World, e.g.
The Sohktari manscorpions (possibly in the Nithian desert)
Chambahara, the shapechangers of Sind (the could exist unseen in one of the cities of Shajapur)
Sharon D has placed these two (or something like them) in the Hollow Moon setting - though there's always room for more in the HW as well ;) The manscorpions are especially problematic for the HW due to their very severe sun allergy, which is why Sharon chose to place them in the darker environ of the HM. However nothing says that some form of the Sohktari coulnd't be preserved in the HW before their curse.

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:41 pm
by hyrieus
I was thinking of the original Sohktari, before they were cursed by Ixion and gained their vulnerability to sunlight, though Dragon 192 does note that they still called themselves Sohktari even after they had lost Ixions' favour. presumably some of them stayed true to their patron and were rewarded by being whisked away the Hollow World to bask in eternal sunlight.

I'm also a big fan of Sharons' work on th Hollow Moon, theres a lot of scope for development with the Chambahara. It could be said that they aren't candidates for the Hollow World as they still have a civilisation on the surface in Angorit (see James Mischlers' excellent gazeteer in Od&dities), but as you point out they must have some presence in Shajapur. Likewise the Bhuts of the hollow moon may be another offshoot culture.

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:04 pm
by Cthulhudrew
Don't know how I missed this thread, but a couple of additional cultures off the top of my head:

There is mention of a hidden Tanagoro kingdom in the forests to the north of that land in one of the PWAs. There are also some "fire dwarves" mentioned in the volcanic region of the Icevale elves. There is a realm of frost giants to the west of the Antalian wastes. (All from PWA1013, I believe.)

Can't recall exactly where it is mentioned (HWA2, I think), but Lake Lakati was said to have been created by a Decanter of Endless Water, and I think it makes reference to a kingdom there as well. I'd have to double check the reference, but if anyone else knows what I'm talking about, feel free to chime in.

The farmers to the east of the Antalian Wastes are mentioned in the Antalia entry in the HW guide, but I wonder if they might constitute their own culture or sub-culture, rather than be considered part of the Antalian people?

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:05 pm
by Havard
First post updated:
Havard wrote:
Realms from Published Sources:
  • Oostdok
  • Shajapur
  • Ashmorain
  • Alphatia, Floating Continent of
  • Alphatian Neatharum
  • Stonecarvers
  • The Lighthouse
  • Barrik's Valley (From Warriors of the Eternal Sun)
  • The Highlands (VotPA reference of a Radience based realm in the HW)
  • Hidden Tanagoro kingdom (PWA1013)
  • Fire Dwarf Realm (PWA1013)
  • Analian Frost Giant Kingdom (PWA1013)
Fan Created Realms
  • Selhomarr
  • Kingdom of Bahlor
  • Muskoxtaur Kingdoms(?)
  • Blackmoor
  • Thonian Empire
  • Afridhi Empire
  • Peshwah Steppes
  • Skandaharian Jarldoms
-Havard

Re: Realms not in the HW boxed set

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:56 am
by Havard
Links to the relevant realms have been updated in the first post.

-Havard