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Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby Knightfall » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:28 pm

Does anyone have a list of compiled races and classes from official AD&D 1e sources? I'm concerned mainly with physical books rather than DRAGON Magazine articles, but if someone has a complete list, I would complain.

Plus, I'd appreciate any links to fan made races and classes for 1e.

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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby Knightfall » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:33 pm

Also, is there an official reference for 1e monstrous races lie the Complete Book of Humanoids is for 2e? Or, at least, some guidelines?
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby Jorkens » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:11 pm

As far as I remember there was never an official version of the monster races for the 1st edition. A couple, like the Aaracocra, might have had had write-ups in Dragon, but nothing more.
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby BotWizo » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:41 pm

Knightfall wrote:Also, is there an official reference for 1e monstrous races lie the Complete Book of Humanoids is for 2e? Or, at least, some guidelines?



No.

Dragon magazine had the additional races and some additional classes like the duelist, jester etc.

you just had the player races presented in the players handbook, Unearthed Arcana, and oriental adventures.

( you kind of have to remeber for 1e there were only 11 hardcover "core rule books")
(these rule books were; dmg,ph,mm,mmII,Unearthed Arcana,Fiend Folio,then later wilderness survival guide, dungeoneer's survival guide, manual of the planes, oriental adventures and then it depended on if you had dieties and demigods or legends and lore - same book with cthullu myths removed i think, there were a couple of more hardcover books, but those were greyhawk and dragonlance books 1 each and I cannot remember the specific name.)

PH races
Dwarf
Elf
Gnome
Half-Elf
Halfling
Half-Orc
Human

UA Races
Dwarf --> Gray Dwarf (Duergar), Hill Dwarf, Mountain Dwarf
Elf --> High Elf, Gray Elf, Wild Elf, Valley Elf, Dark Elf (Drow)
Gnome --> Surface Gnome, Deep Gnome (Svirfneblin)
Halfling --> Stout Halfling, Hairfoot Halfling, Tallfellow Halfling

PH Classes
Cleric
Druid
Fighter
Paladin
Ranger
Magic-user
Illusionist
Thief
Assassin
Monk
Bard
*multi-class characters*
*two-class characters*

UA Classes
Cavalier
-Paladin
Druid
Fighter
-Barbarian
-Ranger
Thief
-Thief-Acrobat

OA Races
Human
Korobokuru
Hengeyokai
Spirit Folk

OA Classes
Oriental Barbarian
Bushi
Kensai
monk
ninja
samurai
shukenja
sohei
wu jen
yakuza
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby Blacky the Blackball » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:08 pm

BotWizo wrote:PH races
Dwarf
Elf
Gnome
Half-Elf
Halfling
Half-Orc
Human

UA Races
same as PH


Yes and no...

Although the UA doesn't introduce any completely new races, it adds sub-races to some of the existing ones; with different stat minima, level limits, and special abilities.

Dwarf --> Gray Dwarf (Duergar), Hill Dwarf, Mountain Dwarf
Elf --> High Elf, Gray Elf, Wild Elf, Valley Elf, Dark Elf (Drow)
Gnome --> Surface Gnome, Deep Gnome (Svirfneblin)
Halfling --> Stout Halfling, Hairfoot Halfling, Tallfellow Halfling
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby rabindranath72 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:56 am

There was the Half-Ogre race designed by Gary Gygax (and later updated by Roger Moore) in an old Dragon Magazine (can't recall the number.)
Plus, Krynnish gnomes and kender were described by Roger Moore; modified versions of these appeared in Dragonlance Adventures.
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby Azaghal » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:31 am

Knightfall wrote:Does anyone have a list of compiled races and classes from official AD&D 1e sources? I'm concerned mainly with physical books rather than DRAGON Magazine articles, but if someone has a complete list, I would complain.

Plus, I'd appreciate any links to fan made races and classes for 1e.

Cheers!

KF


Oddly enough, a race compilation project and their source book (player and monstorous) is something I plan on putting together soon, can`t say exactly when I`ll be starting it but it very much is planned for. I want it for my own campaigns.
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby AuldDragon » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:58 pm

Azaghal wrote:Oddly enough, a race compilation project and their source book (player and monstorous) is something I plan on putting together soon, can`t say exactly when I`ll be starting it but it very much is planned for. I want it for my own campaigns.


I've got a 2nd edition (with some additions from earlier editions) spreadsheet that mostly has all that information (although I need to clean the data up a bit), if you want me to send it to you.

(Yes, I do like making spreadsheets.)

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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby Azaghal » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:21 am

AuldDragon wrote:
Azaghal wrote:Oddly enough, a race compilation project and their source book (player and monstorous) is something I plan on putting together soon, can`t say exactly when I`ll be starting it but it very much is planned for. I want it for my own campaigns.


I've got a 2nd edition (with some additions from earlier editions) spreadsheet that mostly has all that information (although I need to clean the data up a bit), if you want me to send it to you.

(Yes, I do like making spreadsheets.)

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I`m no where near starting on that project, lots of other work still to do too.
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby AuldDragon » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:32 pm

Azaghal wrote:I`m no where near starting on that project, lots of other work still to do too.


Any idea yet on how the project is going to look? Formatting, etc.? Or just a list?

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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby BotWizo » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:55 pm

AuldDragon wrote:
Azaghal wrote:I`m no where near starting on that project, lots of other work still to do too.


Any idea yet on how the project is going to look? Formatting, etc.? Or just a list?

Jeff



I have a spreadsheet for all of the 4e classes, and another for races. each sheet lists the following.

race sheet;
race, book, ability bonuses, race power

class sheet
power source table - table of the classes by power.
then lists - class, role, power source, book, lvl 1 hp, healing surges, defense bonuses, ability ranking from primary to tertiary.

what kind of sheet or list are you looking for for 1E,
something that has the race, then tracks ability bonuses and racial "powers"?
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby Azaghal » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:12 am

BotWizo wrote:
AuldDragon wrote:
Azaghal wrote:I`m no where near starting on that project, lots of other work still to do too.


Any idea yet on how the project is going to look? Formatting, etc.? Or just a list?

Jeff



I have a spreadsheet for all of the 4e classes, and another for races. each sheet lists the following.

race sheet;
race, book, ability bonuses, race power

class sheet
power source table - table of the classes by power.
then lists - class, role, power source, book, lvl 1 hp, healing surges, defense bonuses, ability ranking from primary to tertiary.

what kind of sheet or list are you looking for for 1E,
something that has the race, then tracks ability bonuses and racial "powers"?


Honestly, I haven`t given it much thought yet beyond knowing that I really want to have this done. Basically it will be a supplement 1st to my campaigns but when done for everyone, I`m thinking I`m add races from non DnD sources later, Talislanta, Rolemaster etc eventually.
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby BlackBat242 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:52 am

rabindranath72 wrote:There was the Half-Ogre race designed by Gary Gygax (and later updated by Roger Moore) in an old Dragon Magazine (can't recall the number.)
Plus, Krynnish gnomes and kender were described by Roger Moore; modified versions of these appeared in Dragonlance Adventures.


The original Half-Ogre appeared in Dragon #29 (September 1979), the updated version appeared in #73 (May 1983) and in Best of Dragon #4.

Note that while Gary accepted the idea of humanoid & non-human PCs for OD&D, he was strongly against the idea for AD&D, as the whole purpose of the edition was to "regularize" playing styles and rules so that people could easily move between both "at-home" campaigns and convention tournament games without having rule conflicts arise... and it is inevitable that different DMs would set up PCs of the same "non-standard" race in different ways.

Also, he was strongly for a "human-centric" game world... note all the restrictions on "other than full-blood human" PCs in the 1E PHB... put in place specifically to influence players to play more humans.


That is why there was no PC guideline book for humanoid/non-human characters published for 1E AD&D.



That said, many of us disagreed (and still do) with Gary's viewpoint... hence the Half-Ogre, Half-Dryad, and Al-Karak-Elam* PCs I've run over the years (and the Wemic, etc characters run in games I've played in or DM'ed).


* Presented in Dragon as a wholly separate race, they were converted in 2E to the Elven sub-race of Avariel.


Half-Satyr/Half-Dryad: Dragon #109 (May 1986)

Al-Karak-Elam: Dragon #51 (July 1981) & Best of Dragon #3.

Aquatic Elves: Dragon #116 (December 1986)

Neanderthals: Dragon #118 (February 1987)

Uldra: Dragon #119 (March 1987) {closely related to dwarves & gnomes, live in icy caverns or on the tundra}
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby Jorkens » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:43 am

The Uldra is one of the things from Dragon that I always wished had been included in the main 2nd ed. I discovered them to late to include them in my standard games during the days of regular gaming, something I regret now. They would have been a better choice than the Arctic Halfling in the Complete book of Gnomes & Halflings too.
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby BotWizo » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:04 pm

When considering Dragon, you also get a ton of classes for 1E, but many of them were sort of unusable.
From Dragon; Not all classes
Duelist
Cloistered cleric
Jester
couple others in this particular issue.

many other issues had more classes.

It's just that these new classes were fun to play for a while but did not have the same development as the classes in the rulebook.

On a seperate note, you can tell that D&D was originally human centric, since all goblins, colors of dragons etc. were evil. Then after a small level political correctness crept into the game intelligent races were not automatically evil, and some you could play as character races. Now in 3E and 4E no races are automatically evil and you can have your pc essentially be of any race in the monster manuals as well as player handbooks.

Depending on the level of realism in your game is how positively or negatively you feel about having "monster" pc races.
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby Jorkens » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:02 pm

The cloistered cleric is another thing I have played around with including, but I would "beef it up" a bit. The combat specialising cleric works, but often I want a priest that has a more purely religious role, without being completely useless in an adventure situation.
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby BlackBat242 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:09 am

Knightfall wrote:Plus, I'd appreciate any links to fan made races and classes for 1e.

KF


Here is a link to a PC race I made... the Beorning.
http://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/viewtopic.php?p=82509#p82509
And a companion article for background info on bears:
http://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/viewtopic.php?p=82511#p82511

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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby Big Mac » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:50 am

Azaghal wrote:
Knightfall wrote:Does anyone have a list of compiled races and classes from official AD&D 1e sources? I'm concerned mainly with physical books rather than DRAGON Magazine articles, but if someone has a complete list, I would complain.

Plus, I'd appreciate any links to fan made races and classes for 1e.


Oddly enough, a race compilation project and their source book (player and monstorous) is something I plan on putting together soon, can`t say exactly when I`ll be starting it but it very much is planned for. I want it for my own campaigns.


Has anyone in the OSR movement done this for 1st Edition rules?
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Re: Races and Classes in 1e?

Postby prespos » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:48 pm

The 1e classes are are listed out here: http://prespos.freeforums.net/thread/1290/classes-dragon-white-dwarf.

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Still searching for the list of 1e races, but most of them (excepting those from White Dwarf) are listed out here:
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