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Languages in Davania

Postby CmdrCorsiken » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:33 pm

What languages would be spoken by the non-Thyatian inhabitants of the Hinterlands region of Davania? I seem to remember a diagram or flowchart of language development and dispersion, but it's been so long that I cannot recall where.


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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby Cthulhudrew » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:07 pm

Don't the Hinterlanders speak Thratian? For some reason I seem to recall that being the name given their native tongue in one of the PWAs (probably PWA2/1012 AC).
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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby Big Mac » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:00 am

CmdrCorsiken wrote:On a separate note, it has been far too long since I visited here. I hope this post represents the resumption of regular and frequent visits.


Welcome back to The Piazza. :mrgreen:

My Mystara-fu is poor, but I tried a Google search and got a Davania article on Cyclopedia Mystara. That recommended The Dungeon Master's Guide to Davania over at Vaults of Pandius.

I've not had time to read through it, but it lists some of the experts. Maybe we can ping one or more of them. ;)
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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby Sturm » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:21 am

Sources are here:
http://pandius.com/lang2.html
http://pandius.com/lang.html
http://pandius.com/analang.html
http://pandius.com/eth_ling.html

fans more or less agree the Thratians (the inhabitants of the Hinterlands) speak a namesake language which should be similar/analog to Celtic/Irish, as they were presented as having a celtic-like culture in canon Mystara (in a tropical region however :)
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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby CmdrCorsiken » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:38 am

Very interesting reading. Exactly what I was looking for.

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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby oleck » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:12 pm

Ooo never saw that!!!!!
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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby Havard » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:05 pm

Is Thratian a canonical term? I thought they were just referred to as Hinterlanders...

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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby Cthulhudrew » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:23 am

Havard wrote:Is Thratian a canonical term? I thought they were just referred to as Hinterlanders...


I believe the first use of the term is in PWA1012 (p.19) where it is listed as the Hinterlander's native language. I don't recall any usage of it outside of that in canon, but it is a canonical term. It has been expanded somewhat in fan materials since.
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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby Seer of Yhog » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:17 pm

I believe Andrew is correct.
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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby JTrithen » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:18 pm

Yep, ditto on the Thracian reference in the PWA. The only reference I know of.

A little bit of a tangent from the thread topic, but as far as M-Celt-related cultures in Mystara (and thus their associated languages), this is a difficult onion to peel (or retrofit to a logical history in the game world).

There are several Celtic-related cultures. I have assigned them as such, in my game world:

Hinterlanders -- M-Thracians
Dunadaleans -- M-Celts
Dungannon region (Redstone Castle, etc.) -- M-Irish
Caerdwiccans (Furmenglaive Castle, etc.) / Klantyreans -- M-Scots
Robrennians -- M-Gauls

I used Simone Neri's article on this subject for guidance and inspiration:
http://pandius.com/rwdawnis.html

This makes it difficult to explain why all these related cultures got spread to these different locations in Mystara. I haven't worried too much about giving all the details of these backgrounds and histories in my version of Mystara, at this point.
And, maybe someone has done some work on reconciling these histories, and these explanations are on pandius or the piazza, but I haven't found them yet.

Does anyone have some thoughts or summaries about how they've explained the several M-Celtic cultures in Mystara, and how they came about?
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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby Cthulhudrew » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:02 am

There has been some work done in various locations that I know of:

For my own part, I connected the Caerdwiccans directly with the Klantyre back when I was developing the Isle of Dawn in a couple of stories/articles for the Tome of Mystara online magazine (in issues #3 and #5; I can't check the links at work, but one of those has the history I came up with). Some of those threads were picked up and/or echoed in some additional fleshing out of Caerdwicca (notably in Simone Neri's Caerdana Gazetteer).

There has been some work done on the Dunael by various authors that is hosted at the Vaults of Pandius, not all of it necessarily in sync with the others as I recall. Again, I'd have to wait until I get home to find specific links, but if you search for Dunael there, you will stumble across them.

Someone else, either on the forum or on the old Mystara Mailing List, once suggested the cultural similarities could be accounted for as vestiges of the Immortals worshipped by the widely geographically separated peoples; that those similar elements of their cultures were a legacy of teachings gathered from their patrons. While I'm not entirely convinced that the method of Immortal/Mortal contact works (or should work) that way, I have to admit there is definitely something worth considering about that. At the very least, it is a path of least resistance when trying to connect them all.
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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby JTrithen » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:10 am

Thanks, Cthulhudrew. I thought there had been some work done regarding some of this (and inspiration shared) by others here.

Appreciate it. I'll look into these.
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Re: Languages in Davania

Postby CmdrCorsiken » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:02 pm

JTrithen wrote:Thanks, Cthulhudrew. I thought there had been some work done regarding some of this (and inspiration shared) by others here.
Appreciate it. I'll look into these.

Indeed, very interesting information. Most helpful.
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