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Post by Knightfall » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:06 am

I'm in the middle of working on this post for The World Unknown and I'm trying to figure of the birth years for the following NPCs. I can't find anything in either "The Grand Duchy of Karameikos" or Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure" for them. I've scoured the Vaults of Pandius as well. While I'm happy with my results for all the other NPCs, I'd like to find something semi-canonical for each of the NPCs listed below.

• “Lord” Dmitrios [Born in AC 972]
• Jenkin Flinkfoot [Born in AC 955]
• Abdallah ibn Hamid [Born in AC 951]
• Dorfus Hilltopper
• Key-Hamintep [Trouble in Threshold]
• Alexius Korrigan [Born circa AC 946-955]
• Milo Korrigan
• Magdel [Born in AC 975]
• Bolto Nordenshield
• Prestelle of Rifllian (added to list)
• Antonito Radu [B6 The Veiled Society]
• Cartha Radu [B6 The Veiled Society]
• Zweis Radu [B6 The Veiled Society]
• Gunter Schonberg [Born in AC 965]
• Sergyev [Born in AC 950]
• Luthier Sforza [Born in AC 946]
• Boris Torenescu [Born AC 951]
• Aladan Voll [Born in AC 939]
• Estella Whitehall [Born in AC 941]

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If it doesn't exist, I'll eyeball them based on stats and the few portraits in the KKoA boxed set. I'm hoping there is something I've missed or something obscure out there on the web. :)

Any help would be appreciated,

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Re: Birth Years for Karameikos NPCs

Post by Tonnichiwa » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:12 am

I can't give dates for everyone but just from working back from the year 1000 AC as stated in the Gazetteer for the Grand Duchy of Karameikos, I can give you these.

"Lord" Dmitrios, Born in 972 AC
Jenkin Flintfoot, Born in 955 AC
Abdallah Ibn Hamid, Born in 951 AC
Magdel, Born in 975 AC
Gunter Schonberg, Born in 965 AC
Sergyev, Born in 950 AC
Luthier Sforza, Born in 946 AC
Boris Torenescu, Born in 963 AC
Aladan Voll, Born in 939 AC

The entry for Bolto Nordenshield in the Gazetteer for the Grand Duchy of Karameikos never gave the age of Bolto so I don't know how old he is. I also don't have any information on the rest of the NPC's on this list.

EDIT: Ok, I found the ages for a few more.

Alexius Korrigan, Born in 946 AC
Estella Whitehall, Born in 941 AC
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Post by stebehil » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:42 am

I looked at the entry for Alexius Korrigan. While there is no birth date given, extrapolating from the information given can lead to a close estimate.
As a cousin to Stefan, and seventh child of his parents, he is probably younger than Stefan. Taking into account that Stefan himself was only 22 when taking over, Alexius would probably just have been of age when he followed Stefan. I would think of him as being born 954, maybe 955. Given that his description has not changed between GAZ and K:KoA, I would make him as young as possible.

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Post by AllanP » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:09 pm

re Boris Torenescu -
based on work done by Ville Lahde, "The Torenescu Clan" (available at the Vaults), Boris was born i AC 951, a son of George Torenscu and Sarah Ebonov. I have expanded on Ville's article for inclusion in a future issue of Threshold Magazine.

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Re: Birth Years for Karameikos NPCs

Post by Knightfall » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:17 pm

Tonnichiwa wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:12 am
I can't give dates for everyone but just from working back from the year 1000 AC as stated in the Gazetteer for the Grand Duchy of Karameikos, I can give you these.

"Lord" Dmitrios, Born in 972 AC
Jenkin Flintfoot, Born in 955 AC
Abdallah Ibn Hamid, Born in 951 AC
Magdel, Born in 975 AC
Gunter Schonberg, Born in 965 AC
Sergyev, Born in 950 AC
Luthier Sforza, Born in 946 AC
Boris Torenescu, Born in 963 AC
Aladan Voll, Born in 939 AC

EDIT: Ok, I found the ages for a few more.

Alexius Korrigan, Born in 946 AC
Estella Whitehall, Born in 941 AC
Okay, so what accessories/references did you look through? Are these 'ad hoc' numbers or are they based on canon? DRAGON Magazine. maybe? Regardless, thanks for helping out. This should help with my Mystara project.
Tonnichiwa wrote:The entry for Bolto Nordenshield in the Gazetteer for the Grand Duchy of Karameikos never gave the age of Bolto so I don't know how old he is. I also don't have any information on the rest of the NPC's on this list.
Yeah, and there isn't anything in the Karameikos boxed set either. I noticed that some of the suggested ages listed there are the same as in the GAZ1 (but not all of them).
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Re: Birth Years for Karameikos NPCs

Post by Knightfall » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:20 pm

stebehil wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:42 am
I looked at the entry for Alexius Korrigan. While there is no birth date given, extrapolating from the information given can lead to a close estimate.
As a cousin to Stefan, and seventh child of his parents, he is probably younger than Stefan. Taking into account that Stefan himself was only 22 when taking over, Alexius would probably just have been of age when he followed Stefan. I would think of him as being born 954, maybe 955. Given that his description has not changed between GAZ and K:KoA, I would make him as young as possible.
AllanP wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:09 pm
re Boris Torenescu -
based on work done by Ville Lahde, "The Torenescu Clan" (available at the Vaults), Boris was born i AC 951, a son of George Torenscu and Sarah Ebonov. I have expanded on Ville's article for inclusion in a future issue of Threshold Magazine.

regards,
Okay, using that info and what Tonnichiwa posted, I've gone with circa AC 946-955 for Alexius' birth year and circa AC 951-963 for Boris' birth year, for now.
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Post by Knightfall » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:46 pm

FYI, besides B6, I also have B1 through B5 and B7 and B10. I realize that B1 and B2 aren't designed for Mystara and that B4 isn't set in Karameikos. I know B6 and B10 are set in Karameikos, but what about B3 (I have the PDF of the orange cover ver.), B5, and B7? I seem to remember reading somewhere that B5 is set in Karameikos but that B7 might be for another part of Mystara.

I just want to figure out which ones I should dig out to look for more Karameikos NPCs and birth years.

I know that X12 is set in Karameikos. I have that one too.

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Post by Havard » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:00 pm

Knightfall wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:46 pm
FYI, besides B6, I also have B1 through B5 and B7 and B10. I realize that B1 and B2 aren't designed for Mystara and that B4 isn't set in Karameikos. I know B6 and B10 are set in Karameikos, but what about B3 (I have the PDF of the orange cover ver.), B5, and B7? I seem to remember reading somewhere that B5 is set in Karameikos but that B7 might be for another part of Mystara.

I just want to figure out which ones I should dig out to look for more Karameikos NPCs and birth years.

I know that X12 is set in Karameikos. I have that one too.

My BECMI collection list can be seen here: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread ... ost4751464

There are two versions of B3. The original, orange cover version is set on the Adri Varma Plateau near Glantri. The Green Cover version is set in Haven, which the Expert Map locates in Karameikos.

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Post by Knightfall » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:03 pm

Whoops, forgot to ask for Prestelle of Rifllian. Added to list.
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Post by stebehil » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:31 pm

From what I recall from reading B3 a long time ago, there were a few NPCs named in there, but no detailed information given.
B5 I read/browsed recently. There are two NPCs, a magic-user and a cleric, described as "plump, gray-haired old ladies", no further information given. The module is not per se placed in Karameikos, but can be placed there. Oh, and there is an evil cleric in the dungeon and a dwarven prisoner (as well as unnamed neanderthals and berserkers as monsters). But these are your typical NPCs without much of a backstory given - just a name, a few notes and stats.

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Post by Knightfall » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:45 pm

Found this article: http://pandius.com/raducln2.html
— I'm assuming the ages given in the article are for AC 1000.

Radu Clan
• Anton [GAZ1] [Born in AC 937] [Age in AC 1012: 75]
• Antonito [B6 The Veiled Society] [Born in AC 967] [Age in AC 1012: 45] (younger son of Anton)
• Emil [Born in ?] (Antonio's only son)
• Cartha [B6 The Veiled Society] [is younger than Anton but how much younger?]
• Pieter [Born in AC 974] [Age in AC 1012: 38]
• Theodosius [Born in AC 985] [Age in AC 1012: 27]
• Zweis [B6 The Veiled Society] [Born in AC 960] [Age in AC 1012: 52] (eldest son of Anton)

The Four Daughters of Zweis Radu and Rebecca Kaison
• ?
• ?
• ?
• ?
Likely Names?: Antonia, Carmen, Emilia, Flavia, Ilinca, Livia, Maria, Olimpia, Rodica, Stela, Tereza, Victoria
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Post by Knightfall » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:20 pm

stebehil wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:31 pm
From what I recall from reading B3 a long time ago, there were a few NPCs named in there, but no detailed information given.
B5 I read/browsed recently. There are two NPCs, a magic-user and a cleric, described as "plump, gray-haired old ladies", no further information given. The module is not per se placed in Karameikos, but can be placed there. Oh, and there is an evil cleric in the dungeon and a dwarven prisoner (as well as unnamed neanderthals and berserkers as monsters). But these are your typical NPCs without much of a backstory given - just a name, a few notes and stats.
Okay, thanks. I'll likely skip them for now. There is wealth of NPCs to go through in B10 anyway.
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Post by Knightfall » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:21 pm

B10 Night's Dark Terror [Time Period: Any]
Sukiskyn (Pull-Outs III-IV)
Pyotr's Clan
• Pyotr, Clan Head (F5, N), Age 40
• Darya, Pyotr's Wife (F2, L), Age 38
• Taras, Pyotr's Elder Son (F3, N), Age 20
• Irina, Pyotr's Daughter (C2, L), Age 17
• Matvey, Pyotr's Younger Son (NM, N), Age 10
• Kuzma, Pyotr's Mother (C4, L), Age 66
• Masha, Hakos' Widow (NM, L), Age 18
• Stellios, Servant (NM, L), Age 63
Refugees from Ilyakana
• Gregor, Lumber-Camp Boss (F3, N), Age 27
• Yuri (F1, L), Age 38
• Grisha & Grishkal [twins] (both F1, L), Age 20
Miscellaneous (Pull-Out IV)
• Stephan, Pyotr's Brother (F5, L?), Age 37
• Loshad (Chevall, N), Age ?
The Iron Ring (Pull-Outs IV-V)
• Golthar, Master of the Iron Ring (MU6, C), Age 32
• Karllag, Master of the Iron Ring (MU6, C), Age 35
• Jolenta, Reaver of the Iron Ring (C4, C), Age 30
• Gactis, Reaver of the Iron Ring (T4, C), Age 45
Threshold (Pull-Out V)
• Arthol, Sergeant (F5, N), Age 50
• Mafka, Reaver of the Iron Ring (T5, N), Age 35
Hutaaka (Pull-Out V-VI)
• Kforedz, Priestess of the Hutaakans (Hutaakan C8, C), Age ?
• Guri-Ben-Kaal, Traldan Chief (Traldar F7, N), Age 28

How long do hutaakans and the traldar live?
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Post by Knightfall » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:57 pm

So, in what year would B10 be set?

Never mind. I'm going to set it in AC 1011.
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Post by Knightfall » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:03 pm

Havard wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:00 pm
Knightfall wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:46 pm
FYI, besides B6, I also have B1 through B5 and B7 and B10. I realize that B1 and B2 aren't designed for Mystara and that B4 isn't set in Karameikos. I know B6 and B10 are set in Karameikos, but what about B3 (I have the PDF of the orange cover ver.), B5, and B7? I seem to remember reading somewhere that B5 is set in Karameikos but that B7 might be for another part of Mystara.

I just want to figure out which ones I should dig out to look for more Karameikos NPCs and birth years.

I know that X12 is set in Karameikos. I have that one too.

My BECMI collection list can be seen here: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread ... ost4751464

There are two versions of B3. The original, orange cover version is set on the Adri Varma Plateau near Glantri. The Green Cover version is set in Haven, which the Expert Map locates in Karameikos.

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Oh, missed this post. Time to read.

Since I have the orange cover PDF, I'll set B3 in Glantri. :)
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Re: Birth Years for Karameikos NPCs

Post by Tonnichiwa » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:08 am

Knightfall wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:17 pm
Tonnichiwa wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:12 am
I can't give dates for everyone but just from working back from the year 1000 AC as stated in the Gazetteer for the Grand Duchy of Karameikos, I can give you these.

"Lord" Dmitrios, Born in 972 AC
Jenkin Flintfoot, Born in 955 AC
Abdallah Ibn Hamid, Born in 951 AC
Magdel, Born in 975 AC
Gunter Schonberg, Born in 965 AC
Sergyev, Born in 950 AC
Luthier Sforza, Born in 946 AC
Boris Torenescu, Born in 963 AC
Aladan Voll, Born in 939 AC

EDIT: Ok, I found the ages for a few more.

Alexius Korrigan, Born in 946 AC
Estella Whitehall, Born in 941 AC
Okay, so what accessories/references did you look through? Are these 'ad hoc' numbers or are they based on canon? DRAGON Magazine. maybe? Regardless, thanks for helping out. This should help with my Mystara project.
Tonnichiwa wrote:The entry for Bolto Nordenshield in the Gazetteer for the Grand Duchy of Karameikos never gave the age of Bolto so I don't know how old he is. I also don't have any information on the rest of the NPC's on this list.
Yeah, and there isn't anything in the Karameikos boxed set either. I noticed that some of the suggested ages listed there are the same as in the GAZ1 (but not all of them).
As I state in my original post, I got their ages from the Gazetteer of the Grand Duchy of Karameikos, which states in it that the current year is AC 1000. Because the NPC ages are given in the entries for them in the same Gazetteer, I simply rolled the years backwards to find out what year they were born in. Bolto Nordenshield's age is not given. Neither is Boris Torenescu. I don't recall right now where I got Boris's age from so I would go with what AllanP wrote. Though I think it was from a blurb somewhere about Boris trying to kill Alexsander with poison.

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Post by Knightfall » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:04 am

Tonnichiwa wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:08 am
Knightfall wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:17 pm
Tonnichiwa wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:12 am
I can't give dates for everyone but just from working back from the year 1000 AC as stated in the Gazetteer for the Grand Duchy of Karameikos, I can give you these.

"Lord" Dmitrios, Born in 972 AC
Jenkin Flintfoot, Born in 955 AC
Abdallah Ibn Hamid, Born in 951 AC
Magdel, Born in 975 AC
Gunter Schonberg, Born in 965 AC
Sergyev, Born in 950 AC
Luthier Sforza, Born in 946 AC
Boris Torenescu, Born in 963 AC
Aladan Voll, Born in 939 AC

EDIT: Ok, I found the ages for a few more.

Alexius Korrigan, Born in 946 AC
Estella Whitehall, Born in 941 AC
Okay, so what accessories/references did you look through? Are these 'ad hoc' numbers or are they based on canon? DRAGON Magazine. maybe? Regardless, thanks for helping out. This should help with my Mystara project.
Tonnichiwa wrote:The entry for Bolto Nordenshield in the Gazetteer for the Grand Duchy of Karameikos never gave the age of Bolto so I don't know how old he is. I also don't have any information on the rest of the NPC's on this list.
Yeah, and there isn't anything in the Karameikos boxed set either. I noticed that some of the suggested ages listed there are the same as in the GAZ1 (but not all of them).
As I state in my original post, I got their ages from the Gazetteer of the Grand Duchy of Karameikos, which states in it that the current year is AC 1000. Because the NPC ages are given in the entries for them in the same Gazetteer, I simply rolled the years backwards to find out what year they were born in. Bolto Nordenshield's age is not given. Neither is Boris Torenescu. I don't recall right now where I got Boris's age from so I would go with what AllanP wrote. Though I think it was from a blurb somewhere about Boris trying to kill Alexsander with poison.
Okay, while I trust that your copy has what you say it does, mine doesn't list ages for those NPCs, unless I'm really, really missing something. For example, Jenkin Flintfoot's Appearance entry refers to him as being middle aged but no where there does it give him an actual age. Alfric Oderbry's entry, OTOH, refers to him being 'in his mid-40s'.

Maybe my copy is some sort of weird misprint rarity?
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Post by Gecko » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:38 am

Just popping in for a second to link drop:

http://wiki.mystara.net/genealogy/traladaran

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Gecko wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:38 am
Just popping in for a second to link drop:

http://wiki.mystara.net/genealogy/traladaran
Sweet! Thanks!
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Post by Havard » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:21 pm

Knightfall wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:03 pm
Oh, missed this post. Time to read.

Since I have the orange cover PDF, I'll set B3 in Glantri. :)
I recommend using both.

Haven is a region unique to Karameikos detailed in the most widely distributed green cover B3 (and B1-9) , while orange cover B3 is one of the rare products to give details on Adri Varma. Obviously adjust this to the needs of your project.

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Post by Knightfall » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:52 pm

Havard wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:21 pm
Knightfall wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:03 pm
Oh, missed this post. Time to read.

Since I have the orange cover PDF, I'll set B3 in Glantri. :)
I recommend using both.

Haven is a region unique to Karameikos detailed in the most widely distributed green cover B3 (and B1-9) , while orange cover B3 is one of the rare products to give details on Adri Varma. Obviously adjust this to the needs of your project.

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Well, for now, the orange cover version is one I own. I hadn't realized that the two versions were set in different locales, so I'll likely get the Haven one just for background material. :)
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Re: Birth Years for Karameikos NPCs

Post by Havard » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:28 pm

Knightfall wrote:
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Well, for now, the orange cover version is one I own. I hadn't realized that the two versions were set in different locales, so I'll likely get the Haven one just for background material. :)
Sure. As you may know, the Orange Cover version was recalled from TSR and most copies were destroyed, so it was not widely available untill WotC released it.

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Re: Birth Years for Karameikos NPCs

Post by Knightfall » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:04 pm

Havard wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:28 pm
Knightfall wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:52 pm
Well, for now, the orange cover version is one I own. I hadn't realized that the two versions were set in different locales, so I'll likely get the Haven one just for background material. :)
Sure. As you may know, the Orange Cover version was recalled from TSR and most copies were destroyed, so it was not widely available untill WotC released it.

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Yep, I knew that. So when WotC offered it for free as a classic download back during the 3E era, I snagged it and everything else from the classics download page. I kind of wish they had offered a few more 2E Mystara options during that time period.
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