What's interesting to me (and I'm making this a separate post because it's a very different thought) is the sort of crisis Bruce Heard described in his answer.ripvanwormer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:26 pmBruce Heard, in the answer you quoted from above, postulated that turning the Nucleus into an "entropic machine" would precipitate another crisis that the Immortals would have to resolve. That's possible, but there's nothing in print that describes such a crisis.
His assumption here is that because the Nucleus of the Spheres in its original state allowed candidates to "cheat" and shortcut their way to the Sphere of Energy, the Nucleus of the Spheres in its post-Wrath of the Immortals state allows candidates to "cheat" and shortcut their way to the Sphere of Entropy.Bruce Heard wrote:We’ve had an Age of Energy when the Nucleus was in the hands of the energy munchkins. Now we have an Age of Entropy, where things are likely to get really bad.
Meaning that Etienne d'Amberville can't use it to regain his old Immortality unless he intends to join the Sphere of Entropy as well. That's the crisis: suddenly there will be a lot more would-be Entropic Immortals making the pilgrimage to Glantri to use the Radiance to bootstrap themselves. And there will be a price for that: negative energy is permanently drained from the world every time the Radiance is used. But what would would-be Entropic Immortals care about that? They're selfish almost be definition. So eventually, after a time of unrivaled Entropic power, the power of Entropy will be brought back into balance as negative energy is bleached away from the world.
I have to say, that's not how I interpreted the conclusion of Wrath of the Immortals. I'd imagined that the Nucleus of the Spheres could be used by anyone, but Entropy would play the price for it. But that's not how Bruce Heard interpreted it.
Bruce Heard wrote:But then again, after the storm comes the good weather we hope. The question is: whose turn on the barrel will it be then? What if the Nucleus then favors yet another sphere? For how long? And what would be the consequences? This can get pretty weird.
In the long run, we should naturally assume each sphere will have its day of glory! Once the whole cycle goes through, what then? Immortals finally find a way to deal with the Nucleus? They quit competing? They start all over again? Old Ones show up and kick some misbehaving Immortal butts? Some Immortals becomes Old Ones, others mere mortals? All of the above? That’s wide open.
Basically, all spheres are affected the same way. The difference is that there only is one artifact instead of five. I think having only one removes the potential for intrigue and rivalry among the spheres. I think each sphere of Immortals should go through the learning pains of building their own artifact in order not to fall behind those who have already succeeded. I think that’s better than having the Old Ones just hand the solution to their problems to the Immortals. That’s just not the way Old Ones would do things. Immortals need to learn something through this ordeal.
Got all that? Basically:Bruce Heard wrote:My guess is that at some point, when the whole *cosmic* cycle goes through, the Nucleus desintegrates. Then starts a new cycle, centering on the Chamber and the shadow elves... and more. The other Immortals would also attempt to construct such devices on their own, one for each sphere of activity. The question is... where, when, and by whom?
I’m making a huge assumption here - perhaps the eventual destruction of the Nucleus itself takes place when the Immortals of each sphere manage to create an equivalent device serving their purposes. Each of these new devices robs its powers from the old Glantrian Nucleus. When all devices are up and running, the Nucleus is empty and finally disintegrates (ouch - effect on Glantri!?). At this point, the Chamber inherits the goal to support the purposes of sphere of Energy. This is artifact is clearly identifiable now. The others remain to be identified and located on Mystara.
1. Because of the change in Wrath of the Immortals, Entropy runs rampant, many more Entropic Immortals come into being as a consequence of the new Radiance, but death and decay are reduced from the world.
2. Except it can't be, because that results in overpopulation, which results in more death. So the Entropics get a population boost with no long-term consequences.
3. So the Immortals get together and choose another Sphere to benefit. Bruce Heard suggests all the Spheres get their turn. So after Energy and Entropy, perhaps it's Thought's term to get simultaneously rewarded and punished.
4. Or each Sphere builds its own artifact. Rafiel completes the Chamber of the Spheres for Energy; the Sphere of Entropy has the new, corrupted Nucleus of the Spheres; the spheres of Matter, Thought, and Time build their own artifacts, and an arms race begins.
Note that's not what Glantri: Kingdom of Magic implies is happening. A cosmic cycle that rewards/punishes each of the Spheres in turn, only for the Nucleus to disintegrate isn't the same thing as the Nucleus of the Spheres going back to draining magic again as if nothing has happened. So his words in this case can't, I think, be used as support for the idea that the Nucleus drains magic again, since that's not what he was suggesting at all. He simply said that he didn't think rewarding the Entropics was sustainable in the long term.