World Mountain: Is it the Only One of its Kind?

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World Mountain: Is it the Only One of its Kind?

Post by Havard » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:17 pm

The Great Rain of Fire created a rift between the Prime Plane and the "Spirit World". Spirits were drawn to Mystara trying to repair the damages done across the planes by the GRoF.

The World Mountain in Ethengar is a result of this connection between the Prime Plane and the Spirit World, but are there other such sites too?

Would other spirits such as those of the Wallara, Undead Sprits or even Fey also have a similar history linked to the destruction of Blackmoor?

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Re: World Mountain: Is it the Only One of its Kind?

Post by agathokles » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:51 pm

I think the Wallara spirits are nature spirits not unlike those of Ethengar. The Fey are quite different, and their history is much older than Blackmoor.

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Re: World Mountain: Is it the Only One of its Kind?

Post by Sturm » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:05 pm

I would prefer to connect spirits and faeries as being from the same dimension.. more similar locations could exist, in Skothar and elsewhere. The radiance is another location created by the GRoF, albeit different.
Another could be in the Broken Lands..
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Re: World Mountain: Is it the Only One of its Kind?

Post by Havard » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:13 pm

agathokles wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:51 pm
I think the Wallara spirits are nature spirits not unlike those of Ethengar. The Fey are quite different, and their history is much older than Blackmoor.
They are certainly different, but I rather like the catch all term spirits to include them as well. However we don't know if the GRoF affected the Fey. I agree that the Wallara spirits are closer to the Ethengar and Atruaghin spirits. I think all of them have a longer history than Blackmoor, but the GRoF definitely brought them closer to Mystara.

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Re: World Mountain: Is it the Only One of its Kind?

Post by Havard » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:23 pm

Sturm wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:05 pm
I would prefer to connect spirits and faeries as being from the same dimension.. more similar locations could exist, in Skothar and elsewhere. The radiance is another location created by the GRoF, albeit different.
Another could be in the Broken Lands..
This raises the question of how to look at the world view presented in the Ethengar gaz. Are the Ethengars just wrong and the Spirit World is a single plane or are the spirits free to travel across the planes?

I used the first model for my map of the Spirit World in Threshold.

In any case there could be other things connecting spirits and fairies than coming from the same plane too. In reminded of the thoughts Bruce Heard wrote in Dragon about souls being composed of Thought and Energy. Perhaps the same us true for spirits? Btw, Dragon souls and Dragon spirits might fit into this too?

Your comments about the Brokenlands makes me think more about what happens when a Blackmoor device explodes. It's not just radiation and real world physics, but magical and planar elements to this as well. I wonder if the Brokenlands might be ties to Entropy similar to how the World Mountain is tied to spirits?

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Re: World Mountain: Is it the Only One of its Kind?

Post by LoZompatore » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:20 pm

I'd say there could be many other such 'Thinnies' :D between The Prime Plane and the Spirit World in other faraway places across Mystara, where large amounts of the magical fallout of the Blackmoor explosions settled.

Such places would be mostly confined in the northern polar icecap but, possibly there could be some more accessible locations in the Norwold mountains and in the Borea River Valley. Maybe not all the connections with the Spirit World are of benign nature, and it is possible that some areas are still plagued by evil or dangerous spirits who spilled on Mystara during the Great Rain of Fire.

I always thought that the largest settlements destroyed by the explosions would now be (frozen) wastelands filled with undead (mostly of the incorporeal kind or magen-like). Maybe some of these evil entities from the Spirit World managed to rule over groups of such undead beings; it could be an interesting and dangerous setting for an adventure, in my opinion! ;)

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Post by Robin » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:57 pm

As to the World Mountain Volcano itself could well be like the unique Ol Doinyo Lengai volcano World Mountain was based upon.
The Magical effect however could have several options of breaking/touching the Prime Plane.

As to the Spirit Realm, Limbo and the Plane of Entropy all being mentioned here;
All the Planar images I have seen on Inner and Outer Planes are 2 dimensional, and this does not feel right.
Ok my take on this is a bit difficult but I try to explain, try to visualise this in front of you in miniature holographic images

I think this as 3 dimensional. First the Prime Plane is encircled by the four Elemental Planes placed like a D4 around it. this in total is enwrappen in the Ethereal Realm, which is breached by the infinit Plane of Limbo (originally near the Prime Plane, now due the magic/nuclear explosion of Blackmoor drawn closer (as canon describes) and in 1700BC by the Broken Lands disasater and the explosion of the Blackmoor devices on the young dormant World Mountain volcano reactivated and breaching the Planar borders between the Planes enabling a touch of the Spirit Realm Which was describes canon in the ethereal Realm I believe to remember.
Limbo is described by Bruce Heard as an finite/infinite moebius Ring shaped Plane
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Limbo will in this 3d image be fully enveloped by the Spirit Realm in a similar, yet opposite pattern, enabling the "insides" of Limbo being pierced by a shard of the Astral Plane and another by a shard/spike of the Plane of Death.
This way we can have the Spirit Realm touching the Prime Plane, while having Limbo in its midst, yet also having the Plane of Death/Entropy also having contact whithout a direct contact to Limbo. The Fairy Realm might even be intertwined with the spirit realm in its chaotic shape enabling"fingers"of the Fairy realm touching the Prime Plane.
This would also explain why the Hakomon locations all seem to have some entropic link to the local sources of magic as the spike/shard could have branched off while touching the Prime Plane, being fed by the local magic and death/decay/disease and evil caused by the Radiance and powerhungry individuals.

Similarly I see the large Elemental areas(The Great Whirlpool, The arch of Fire) being touches of the Elemental Plane.
This might be a bit difficult, as all these Planes in a 3d shape would be difficult to lacate, yet we need to be 4th or even 5th dimensional (As goldbox set there are only 5 dimensions looking at each other opposite) so these might seem to fade through the Prime Plane one way or another.

As such it is very possible that The spirit Realm touches other Locations (Blackmoor for example; or what remains of it under water or as ruin) or

Just an weird mathmatical inter planar Idea, :shock: :o :? :ugeek:
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