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Known Sages

Postby Bonetti » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:52 pm

The party in my campaign is likely going to be consulting with one or more sages in the near future, or some other knowledgeable folks. I figure that local people with an interest in folklore would probably know the immediate past (say, 100 years) for a given area, and be familiar with legends (some true, some not). However, to really delve into the mysteries (other planes, normal vs. abnormal behavior of certain species, power sources), they need to consult with experts.

What, if any, development of sagacity has already been done? I mean, beyond the obvious (Glantri's school, Karameikos' wizard's guild, Alphatia more or less as a whole). I'm currently leaning toward a loose network of experts who know some subset of each other (and their specialties), with no more than two or three per city in any non-magical country. (This does not include special hirelings to serve a particular noble, government, merchant house, or whatever, who probably aren't available to Q. Random 3rd Level Party.) If some work along these lines has already been done, fantastic, I'd like to incorporate it in the glue-monster that my campaign has become :-) If not, I need to do some development in the next couple of weeks...

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Re: Known Sages

Postby Gecko » Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:40 pm

I thought I had seen something like this somewhere, but I can't find it now. I thought it was in one of the issues of the Tome, but I just looked and didn't see it.

There's a few sages listed here.

Stellmann Grimm is mentioned in the 1017 almanac
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Re: Known Sages

Postby agathokles » Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:53 pm

Cee Salt is a sage in Karameikos, specializing in the Sea of Dread. He appears in Lathan's Gold.

Glantri has a League of Sages, which is midway between a club and a guild for sages.

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Re: Known Sages

Postby Gecko » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:25 pm

I found on my HD a saved geocities page listing 3 scholars (Robert Blake, Rudolf Neuenberg, & Allan Clarke), and I think it might of been part of a series. looking at the source code (man, Microsoft Word's html converter sure make's some ugly code) I see it was one of Giulio Caroletti's page's, but I can't find any indication what the exact URL was so I can't look it up in any of the geocities archives nor the wayback machine.

Google searches with portions of the text don't turn up anything either.

Giulio, are you around?

any one else remember what his geocities URL was?
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Re: Known Sages

Postby agathokles » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:34 pm

I don't think Giulio's pages are archived. I'm not even sure he has copies of them -- we didn't manage to save the whole Thyatis work when geocities closed down that site, for example.
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Re: Known Sages

Postby Seer of Yhog » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:53 pm

Hey Bonetti,

Are you looking for canon sages, or any character? My reading of the OP is that you're interested in whatever sounds good.
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Re: Known Sages

Postby Gecko » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:44 am

agathokles wrote:I don't think Giulio's pages are archived. I'm not even sure he has copies of them -- we didn't manage to save the whole Thyatis work when geocities closed down that site, for example.


You mean the TCR? (Formerly of http://www.geocities.com/talerio/ - and yes, I already checked the various geocities archives that I'm aware of and none of them appear to have it).

I have copies of some of those files, and the Wayback Machine has some, between the two might we be able to recreate the whole thing? Perhaps at Angelo's Mystara wiki site archive?
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Re: Known Sages

Postby Bonetti » Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:34 am

Seer of Yhog wrote:Hey Bonetti,

Are you looking for canon sages, or any character? My reading of the OP is that you're interested in whatever sounds good.

Both, preferably with some marker on whether they're canon or not (or at least a source or a new invention).

I'll turn this into a list which can be more easily referenced, and possibly add summaries etc. as I look stuff up.

Man, if I keep doing this, there's going to end up being a GazB Atlas at the end of it... :roll:

Due to time limitations (full-time job, 11 credits of classes, plus DM duties and other social life), I don't have but so much time to comb through sources, so I figured I'd throw myself on the mercy (and incredible knowledge) of the community instead :-) I probably would've only turned up a couple of the ones noted so far, so it worked :-)

I like the League, that has some medium-term potential, and the names are helpful. So is the list at Pandius (thanks!).

Gecko, are those three just names, or were there details?

Now that I think about it, isn't there a list of Universities on one of the TMs? I'll have to dig that out, I'm pretty sure I saw one...
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Re: Known Sages

Postby Gecko » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:39 am

Bonetti wrote:Gecko, are those three just names, or were there details?


Look's like it will copy and paste without mangling the formatting too badly so here it is

Giulio wrote:AROUND THE WORLD
Have you ever needed a scholar NPC that could give clues to your PCs in the religious fields? Telling them where to go to find an ancient shrine, especially dedicated to evil gods? Have you needed a famous and renowned scholar that your PCs may contact to find those informations they absolutely need? Have they ever asked you “Where can I find an important religion scholar ?” and answered “Uh…eh…well, you know there is one…uh…eh….” ?



If the answer to one of the above questions is “Yes”, well, here are some famous religion scholars of the Known World. The informations are written with AC 1010 in mind, but the story is quite detailed and it’s easy to retrofit any informations if you please.


ROBERT BLAKE
11 Eirmont 971, Akesoli, Republic of Darokin.



History: Robert Blake was born in Akesoli, son of a middle-class merchant and his wife. Robert was educated to become a merchant, but he refused this as soon as he was eighteen (989), and left home to become an adventurer. He lived for some time in Corunglain, entering the military garrison of the city and battling orcs from Thar now and then, but in the end he grew tired of this dull life and left the Republic (995), with the intent of travelling through the world, in the guise of a caravan guide. He reached Ethengar, Rockhome and Ylaruam; here he remained for some time, to study the language, and opened a small bazaar in the city of Tameronikas (999). After a couple of years, during which he studied the Namheh and other ancient religious tomes, he left for Thyatis (1001). There he has studied for some time geography and history, before leaving again for Karameikos in 1003, that he found however not of his liking. He returned to Thyatis in 1005 and entered in contact with some religion scholars, and found finally something that really interested him. In the last years, Blake has been a fervent scholar, and has developed a good reputation in the scholarly circles, as an adventurer that is often involved in archaeological missions. His father died in AC 1007, so he has a good capital that he uses to finance his researches.



Personality: Blake is a strange man. He likes people, but has no true friends. He has many interests, but has found too hard to follow just one of them, and has changed his activities from time to time, without finding his way. He hasn’t been too worried about this, although strongly disapproved by his father. He is sad about the fact that the father has died without approving his life, but now he has find something that is keeping him more busy. However, sooner or later he will probably change once again.



Appearance: Blake is tall, with black hair, kept long to the shoulders, a little wavy. He has dark eyes and a thin mouth, often smiling enigmatically. He is well built but not exceptionally strong.



Stats (OD&D, AC 1010):

Human Fighter 10

Str 9, Int 13, Wis 13, Dex 9,Cos 12, Cha 13

Alignment: Neutral




RUDOLF NEUENBERG
28 Yarthmont 967, City of Hattias, County of Hattias, Empire of Thyatis.


History: Rudolf Neuenberg is a common Hattian who has spent most of his life fighting against the Hattian way of life. He was born by a poor Hattian woman, and never met his father, who died of heart attack some months before his birth. This made him develop a fussy attention to his health and physical condition. The young boy entered the Temple of Vanya (981), but with the passing of time he became more and more weary of the closemindness of the Hattians. Hearing enthusiastic tales about the Heldannic Knights who were “forging a new nation based on real ideals in the north”,, Neuenberg went to Heldann and entered the Knights (988), just to discover that this land was even worse in terms of stiffness and bigotry than his own homeland. His years in the Knights ended soon (992), as he couldn’t understand how they could pretend to educate and speak of law when all they did was depredate like any other imperialistic nation had done. Very disilluded about religion in general, and about the human’s race view of things, Neuenberg returned to Thyatis after a long journey through the Northern Reaches and Ylaruam. His religious studies had led him to study the Inquisition and to learn much about forgotten cults and dark worship, so he became fundamental to the writing of “Dark Worship in Thyatis”, a book written by Lorn and Alexander Penhaligon, two Thyatian scholars, that would be published in AC 996. During the years of his staying in Thyatis he also wrote a succesful book, “How to become stupid”, subtitled “About the stupidity of Hattians in general, and of Heldannic Knights in particular ”, for which he was processed and sentenced to death in Heldann, and the hate of most of Hattias. After a couple of murder attempts, he decided to leave Thyatis, as he had enough of it. After having spent some time in Traladara, still collecting informations on religion in general and especially on evil cults, Rudolf settled down in the Five Shires (AC 995), as he appreciated much their easy-going way of life. He has bought a house near Shireton and lives there, but sometimes he leaves to perform some researches, especially in Darokin. He has married a much younger Thyatian woman, Marzia DeAngelis (born 983) in 1004, and they have a two years old son. He has refused to return to Thyatis for the Wrath of the Immortals War, saying that “there was no reason to join Glantri against Alphatia, and, disagreeing with this military intervention, I will remain here and watch”. He has published some philosophical essays. In these, Neuenberg stated that a man should free himself of the common morality, and develop one for his own, no matter how wrong it can seem to the rest of the society and to other persons, at least until this morale is his own, and not one he has borrowed from external sources.



Personality: Neuenberg is an uncompromising man who dislikes every tyranny, from the Empire of Thyatis to Alphatia to the masked plutocracy of Darokin. He is intrinsecally anarchical, but hates violence. He likes the hin, but he also likes humans, although he thinks that most of them are ignorant, and thus they fail to see the right side of things. He respects religious men, but doesn’t worship actively any Immortal, and doesn’t likes some organized religions that would impose their limited view on things on others (so he dislikes especially the Kin and the Heldannic Knights, not counting the Storm Soldiers). He is a good speaker, likes the occasional bottle of wine (he is very resistant to alcohol), and has a very developed sense of humour. He has also an obsession about his own health and physical condition, keeping himself always well-trained, because he is scared to die from a heart-attack like his father.



Appearance: Medium height, well built, with light brown moustaches and brown hair, although he has lost much on his front, and it begins to show hints of gray, and with deep blue eyes, Neuenberg is a beautiful man that seems almost ten years younger, and this without potions of longevity, although he has bought one and is pondering wheter to use it and when.



Stats (OD&D AC 1010):

Human Fighter 10

Str 16, Int 12, Wis 13, Dex 13, Cos 14, Cha 14

Alignment: Chaotic Good





ALLAN CLARKE

1 Sviftmont 964, Akorros, Republic of Darokin.



History: Allan Clarke was born in Akorros, son of a poor fisherman and his wife. The young boy entered the Army when he was only 13. After some years his superiors noticed his intelligence and sent him to be trained as a diplomat in the Darokin Diplomatic Corps (981). While receiving a good education, Clarke understood that his real inclination was toward religious studies, although not as a cleric…in AC 992 he left the Corps and began to study the connection between popular folklore and religion, and became increasingly interested in the Way of Elves, and in the faerie world studying, collecting, through long and dangerous voyages through the Known World and Norwold, many tales of the wee folk, ancient popular rituals and tales, and have written several books, among whose the most recognized by the scholarly community is “Breakdown”, in which he deals with the origin of meks and the possible implications of meks with weird long-dead cults. In AC 1004 he re-joined the DDC, to help his nation during the difficult times of the war against the Master, but then he was mostly involved with the elves’ problems after the shadow elves’ invasion. He has since spent most of his time travelling from Wendar to Darokin, trying to help Doriath’s claims to Alfheim and working

restlessly toward the benefit of the elves. This attention toward the elves is not too liked by the DDC, who would prefer him to think more about Darokin’s own pressing problems.



Personality: Allan Clarke is a scholar, but now he is very worried by the shadow elves’ presence on the surface. Among the many tales he has collected and studied, he has paid a lot of interest to the tales regarding the shadow elves, but even he considered them a distant and legendary threat. He is a merry man when he doesn’t let problems overshadow his life. He likes drinking and spending time in company, is lazy when something doesn’t interest him too much but is very precise and efficient when he decides to perform some task. Clarke is also a very good singer.



Appearance: Allan is a tall man, although a little overweight. He has black hair, but he is beginning to bald, and beard, the latter showing some hints of grey. He has an overall sad look, a little embarassed, in his green eyes, and has a small nose, that emphasizes his merry face.



Stats (OD&D, AC 1010):

Human Fighter 7

Str 11, Int 16, Wis 12, Dex 9, Cos 13, Cha 11

Alignment: Neutral Good
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Re: Known Sages

Postby JTrithen » Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:24 am

Did I miss something in these messages, but isn't Bensarian a sage? He's in "X11 Saga of the Shadow Lord," and he would be the first sage I would think of (and a favorite character).
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Re: Known Sages

Postby mister c » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:31 am

IIRC there is at least one sage mentioned as living in Threshold in 'Hail the Heroes'. I'll look it out asap.
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Re: Known Sages

Postby mister c » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:59 am

Just checked 'Hail the heroes' and there are two sages mentioned living in Threshold.
"Grilius Karaolos, a tiny old man who lives in a shack by the river. Grilius is a nervous man who likes cats and takes care of nearly two dozen of the creatures. He is intelligent and eager to please."
"Seria Dovescu, a stout woman who lives in a house near the town hall. Seria is a large, muscular woman in her late 50s with iron-grey hair."

In the adventure the sages are used to help locate the ruins of Zadreth and the Temple of the Shield. It takes Seria 2d4 hours to find the relevant information and she charges 10sp. Hope this is of some use.
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