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Descent into the Depths of the Earth Novel (spoilers)

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 11:30 pm
by GMWestermeyer
So, Escalla from Paul Kidd's Greyhawk novels is a Faerie. Fair enough. But which book, from any edition (but 1e/2e especially) do Faeries appear in?I can't seem to find them. And in _Descent into the Depths of the Earth_ there is a Court of the Faeries that is on another plane, was that just invented whole cloth by Kidd?

Re: Descent into the Depths of the Earth Novel (spoilers)

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 2:11 pm
by Havard
IIRC Descent into the Depths of the Earth is a sequel to the White Plume Mountain novelization by the same author. Do you know if Escalla was featured in both novels?

There is a creature called Faerie in BECMI's Master Set, though they are strange winged creatures inhabiting traits from all the other demihuman races. I am not sure if that fits with the description of Escalla? Faerie is also a term used collectively for Fey races in Classic D&D (BECMI) while the term Fey seems to have taken over from 3E and onwards.

How is Escalla described?

-Havard

Re: Descent into the Depths of the Earth Novel (spoilers)

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 6:04 pm
by GMWestermeyer
Havard wrote:IIRC Descent into the Depths of the Earth is a sequel to the White Plume Mountain novelization by the same author. Do you know if Escalla was featured in both novels?

There is a creature called Faerie in BECMI's Master Set, though they are strange winged creatures inhabiting traits from all the other demihuman races. I am not sure if that fits with the description of Escalla? Faerie is also a term used collectively for Fey races in Classic D&D (BECMI) while the term Fey seems to have taken over from 3E and onwards.

How is Escalla described?

-Havard
She appears in all of Kidd's Greyhawk novels. The last two novels take place in part on other planes, including the court of Faerie.

Escalla: https://wiki.greyparticle.com/index.php/Escalla

Re: Descent into the Depths of the Earth Novel (spoilers)

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 9:12 pm
by Cthulhudrew
Her description (elf-like woman with wings, 18 inches tall) sounds like a Pixie, or possibly a Sprite. Sprites weren't initially in 3E, though (they got removed and "Sprite" became a catchall category for small fairies, rather than a specific kind of one), which leads me to suspect Kidd intended her to be a Pixie.

Re: Descent into the Depths of the Earth Novel (spoilers)

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 11:45 pm
by GMWestermeyer
Cthulhudrew wrote:Her description (elf-like woman with wings, 18 inches tall) sounds like a Pixie, or possibly a Sprite. Sprites weren't initially in 3E, though (they got removed and "Sprite" became a catchall category for small fairies, rather than a specific kind of one), which leads me to suspect Kidd intended her to be a Pixie.
I don't think she was 3e, I think she was late 2e (the Justicar is practically the Ranger kit personified). On the Greyhawk forum it was Ripvanworner (sp) suggested she comes from Monstrous Compendium Annual Volume Two, page 105, the Seelie Faeries. I think she is a perfect match for that group.

Interesting twist, that is a compendium of monsters TSR released in module and magazines in 1994... so, where did seelie faeries appear in 1994 products? My hunt is on!

Re: Descent into the Depths of the Earth Novel (spoilers)

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:51 pm
by lesh
they were first in the Spellbound campaign box

Re: Descent into the Depths of the Earth Novel (spoilers)

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:00 pm
by GMWestermeyer
lesh wrote:they were first in the Spellbound campaign box
Really? The FR boxed set covering Thay and related lands? Huh. :)

I have been rereading this series again.

I really think the Greyhawk series is the closest TSR ever came to capturing the feel of a D&D game in novel form. Paul Kidd's trilogy is excellent, but the choices are odd. A more logical series would have started with Against the Giants, and that is part of the Greyhawk series but it has a different author and totally different characters. So instead of the traditional G1-3, D1-3, Q1 module progression, we get S2, D1-3, and Q1. In some ways, that feels more natural, in the early days the links between modules were tenuous and PCs popped all over the world almost randomly, popping from module to module as they became available.

I love this novel, in large part because Kidd introduces a lot of Faerie court politics and some Planescape aspects that just really work with the story. I couldn't find much on the Seelie Court in outside of Monster Mythology. I would recommend Descent into the Depths of the Earth for DMs looking to add it to their campaigns. If you go that route, DEFINITELY get Hackmaster 4e's Adventurer's Guide to Pixie Fairies http://www.kenzerco.com/product_info.php?products_id=46 to flesh out the Faerie Court personalities - it translates very well, with minimal conversion to 2e.

The last book in the series, Queen of the Demonweb Pits is essentially an entire Planescape novel without the Planescape title. Whioch fits, because the original module was, I believe, the first published planes adventure.

This also really highlights how a good DM could take these classic modules and reworked the motivations and preludes to fit them together in different ways. Which is pretty much exactly how I run my own campaigns.