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Dragonlance Cosmology (that makes sense)

Post by redking » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:15 am

The latest version of the Dragonlance cosmology in 3.5e gives us a separate Dragonlance cosmology is that is seemingly difficult to reconcile with Planescape. I have seen some very convoluted work-arounds to make the Dragonlance cosmology work within the Great Wheel or other multiversal cosmologies, but I am going to offer up a solution that keeps the Dragonlance cosmology separate yet part of the greater whole.

The Dragonlance cosmology has three outer planes: the Dome of Creation, the Hidden Vale, and the Abyss. The good, neutral, and evil deities have realms in these planes respectively. Planescape lore harps on the ignorance of the people of Krynn when they describe Takhisis as having a realm in “the Abyss” when the people of the Planescape setting know well that the realm of Takhisis is in the Nine Hells (Baator). Indeed, if you were in Baator then there would be no physical obstruction to getting in (getting out is another issue altogether).

There is no real contradiction here – the Dragonlance cosmology is at once part of the greater cosmology, and separate all the same. This is the plan of the High God. Furthermore, any universal laws, pacts, or other such planar arcana (such as the ‘Pact Primeval’ between Asmodeus and ‘the gods’) is suspended as it relates to Krynn. Anyone (or deity, arch devil, or demonlord) that has an objection can take that objection up with the High God. None have dared thus far.

The Dragonlance cosmology works thus. When a spell or ability is used to take a creature to the planes is used on Krynn, the creature is taken to a realm within the Dragonlance cosmology. Even if the creature attempts to go to a known place in the planes (for example, Dis in Baator), the creature will arrive in a place within the Dragonlance cosmology, generally the closest place (in this case, the realm of Takhisis within “the Abyss”). The same goes for attempts to go to the ethereal or astral planes – the High God of Krynn has ‘reserved’ areas of these planes and encapsulated them within ‘the gray’. Entering the astral plane or ethereal plane brings one to a portion of those planes associated with Krynn, and it is not possible to reach the astral or ethereal planes proper if the starting point is Krynn.

When a creature from Krynn travels the planes from Krynn, they are traveling within the self-contained Dragonlance cosmology. They have no way of traveling from the realm of Takhisis located within the Nine Hells to the city of Dis. There is no point of exit to do that.

Such a character could however cross planes within “the Abyss” by simply traveling. All of “the Abyss” is connected despite being on different planes (from the perspective of a resident of Sigil). For example, a creature from Krynn traveling “the Abyss” could go from the realm of Takhisis in the Nine Hells, to the realm of Morgion in the Grey Waste. From the perspective of the traveler they haven’t changed planes, its just all “the Abyss”.
The same goes for the realms within the Dome of Creation and the Hidden Vale.

The only way person from Krynn (or even someone from outside Krynn currently in Krynn) can get to a plane within the standard cosmology is to travel the planes from outside of Krynn. If someone in Krynn can get to another Prime Material world outside the purview of the High God, then they may travel to the planes of the Great Wheel outside of the Dragonlance cosmology. Traveling to another Prime Material world is the only way to leave the Dragonlance cosmology. During the Age of Mortals the High God’s plan was suspended, so direct travel to the planes of the Great Wheel was possible at this time (although exceedingly rare as magic was compromised). When the gods returned to Krynn at the end of the War of Souls, the High God’s plan was reestablished.

Summoning or binding follows the same principle. Summoning or binding spells only summon or bind those creatures that are accessible from within the Dragonlance cosmology. Attempting to summon or bind creatures outside of the Dragonlance cosmology, even with true names, fails.

The reality of the Dragonlance cosmology explains the cluelessness of the Krynn natives that somehow end up in places like Sigil. Even they do not know how it works, and neither do the people of Sigil.

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Re: Dragonlance Cosmology (that makes sense)

Post by redking » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:08 am

Continuing with this thread and some additional cosmological details (that makes sense). This is a planescape view of the Krynnish cosmology, looking at it from the outside.

Abthalom, the Nether Reaches

Abthalom, the Nether Reaches is Takhisis' realm in the in the Nine Hells (also known as Baator), located in the first layer of the hells, Avernus. If one could gain access to Abthalom then they would then be inside the Krynnish cosmology, finding themselves in what the people of Krynn call “the Abyss” (the cosmology of which is explained in the OP).

There is no way to teleport or planeshift in to Takhisis’ realm from outside the Kynnish cosmology, which means that anyone in the Nine Hells that wants to enter Abthalom must come through the front gate. Strangely the “front gate” is anywhere an individual is adjacent to the realm, a paradox of planar physics.

Getting into Abthalom is a simple matter of asking for entry at the front gate. Individuals are usually permitted entry; devil armies are not – Takhisis is no fool. Takhisis’ realm has long been a thorn in the side of the Lords of the Nine. The deities of “the Abyss” of Krynn have had a long-standing offer of asylum to devils that fell out of favor of the devilish hierarchy, which gives fleeing devils a way to avoid demotion or even destruction in the service of one of the Krynnish gods. The normally long reach of the Lords of the Nine and the Dark Eight is obstructed by cosmological separation of the Krynnish cosmology from the rest of the multiverse. This policy has netted enormous numbers of lesser fiendish servitors, Pit Fiends, and even a lesser Duke of the Nine Hells at times.

This is one of the reasons that the relationship between the deities of Krynn and the hierarchy of Hell is poor. There is another reason.

The Pact Primeval in abeyance

The Pact Primeval is supposedly a pact between the gods and Asmodeus that would deliver mortal souls to the Hells if certain conditions were met. In Krynn the Pact Primeval is invalid and is superseded by the High God’s plan for the souls of Krynn as described in the Tobil. What is little known is that Krynn is a bolt-hole for those people that have their souls claimed by an Arch-Devil, whether through happenstance or selling one’s soul via a Faustian pact.

When a creature on Krynn (or within the Krynnish cosmology) dies, its soul joins the River of Souls, where it is judged by the god Chemosh, before continuing on to its final destination (often to be taken under the care of one of the other Krynnish gods). In the case of outlander creature that does not worship a Krynnish deity and dies on Krynn with a devilish claim on its soul it joins the River of Souls as normal, and is subsequently claimed by Chemosh, who either keeps the soul for himself or barters it to another Krynnish god of evil. The soul does not go to the Arch-Devil it was supposed to go to, nor does it face punishment in the Nine Hells. The realm of Chemosh is no paradise, nor are the realms of the other Krynnish gods of evil, but it is a step up from literally living in Hell.

If a creature worships a Krynnish deity, dies on Krynn, and has a devilish claim on its soul, the soul travels the River of Souls, is judged by Chemosh, and goes to the deity that it worships, an even more flagrant violation of the Pact Primeval than the former example. A creature, having made a Faustian pact and collected its benefits can then seek refuge within the Krynnish cosmology, thus cheating the devils of their due.

This fact is not well known, and the devils do their utmost to make sure that it stays that way. Chemosh is the primary beneficiary of this planar quirk and he is working to spread the word in the place where there is a concentration of people that have Faustian pacts – Sigil. In Sigil Chemosh has a renegade succubus that fled the Abyss (not “the Abyss” of Krynn) in his service that is a “expert” in Faustian pacts and is sought out by creatures seeking a way out of their pacts. The succubus’ name is Sharolita, an advanced succubus with 12 HD. Her service to Chemosh has rubbed off on her and her alignment is now Neutral Evil. Clients seeking her advice are told that going to Krynn prevents the devils from claiming their souls, promising fair treatment by Chemosh. She does not tell her clients that worshipping a god of Krynn will allow their souls to claimed by the Kyrnnish god that they worship, instead leading them to believe that their souls will be claimed by Chemosh anyway.

Take it up with the High God

The Bureau of Divine Relations is a department within Ministry of Immortal Diplomacy, part of the bureaucracy of the Nine Hells. The Bureau of Divine Relations has been trying to resolve what they term “the cosmological problem” for thousands of years by attempting to negotiate with the Krynnish deities. Although the number of absconders from Faustian pacts is insignificant in the great scheme of things, the number has increased significantly in the last few centuries, and the Ministry of Espionage has recently become aware of Sharolita’s activities in Sigil, and have scheduled her for assassination, hoping to manufacture an incident of “demon on demon” violence so Hell is not implicated.

The gods of Krynn have demurred. Paladine told the devilish ambassadors to pound sand. Takhisis told them to talk to Chemosh, whose purview is the disposition of the dead. Chemosh told the Pit Fiend emissary sent to talk to him to take it up with the High God of Krynn. To the Pit Fiend Chemosh said, “of course, the High God is so puissant that any creature less than a god would be rendered unto oblivion in the High God’s august presence”. The Bureau of Divine Relations then decided that based on the available evidence that this “High God of Krynn” is one of those mysterious entities known as an Overgod. This being so it is beyond the scope of the responsibilities of those devils tasked with dealing with the gods. Now the devils are squabbling about creating a new bureau to deal with Overgods or kick the problem up the Hellish hierarchy to the Lords of the Nine.

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