Magic-User Spell Progression

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Magic-User Spell Progression

Post by Irondrake » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:42 pm

The revised 1983 D&D Expert Rules have a different Magic-user spell progression chart than the D&D Rules Cyclopedia. Does anyone use this revised spell progression chart, or do they stick with the one from the RC?

To be clear, the revised spell progression chart made the following changes to the spell chart:

At 6th level
1st level spells = 3

At 9th level:
3rd level spells = 2

At 10th level:
1st level spells = 4
4th level spells = 2

At 11th level:
2nd level spells = 4
3rd level spells = 4
6th level spells = 0

At 13th level:
1st level spells = 5

At 14th level:
1st level spells = 5

From 15th level up to 36th level the spell progression chart is the same as presented in the D&D Companion and Master Sets, as well as the Rules Cyclopedia.

I noticed that all BECMI modules appear to use the original spell progression from the original 1983 Expert Rules and the Rules Cyclopedia, so I think I may stick with the original version. But I am curious if anyone uses the revised version in their D&D campaigns, and why.

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Re: Magic-User Spell Progression

Post by Marco Fossati » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:17 am

I don't own the revised 1983 expert rules, so I haven't known those difference until now.

Which progression is more profitable for M-U, revised ex rules or RC?

I cannot look through my RC copy right now

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Re: Magic-User Spell Progression

Post by pawsplay » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:12 pm

The Rules Cyclopedia is 1991. So was the chart changed in the 1983 Expert set and then changed back?

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Re: Magic-User Spell Progression

Post by Tim Baker » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:48 pm

That's interesting. I'd love to see the two charts side-by-side, as the list above doesn't help me without my RC in front of me.

I'm curious to know the rationale for changing it in the Mentzer Expert Set (1983) and then changing it *back* to the Cook Expert Set (1981)'s spell progression for the Rules Cyclopedia (1991).
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Re: Magic-User Spell Progression

Post by Irondrake » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:13 pm

Well, it's my understanding the MU spell progression chart from the Revised 1983 D&D Expert Set is the better one. Now, to be clear, when the 1983 D&D Expert Set first came out, it had the original spell progression as found in the 1981 Expert Set. The set was later revised in 1983, which updated the Thief Abilities (stretching them out across the 14 levels so to work with the 1984 Companion Rules) and altered the Magic-User spell progression chart as I listed in the original post.

If I knew how to make tables on these forums, I'd try to recreate both charts for those interested, but alas, I do not. :(

I'm guessing that when Aaron Allston compiled the 1991 D&D Rules Cyclopedia, he used the original spell progression chart found in the first version of the '83 Expert Rules, either by accident or because he felt it was the better choice.

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Re: Magic-User Spell Progression

Post by Irondrake » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:06 pm

Here is my attempt to make a table to show the Magic-User spell progression as it appears in the 1983 Revised D&D Expert Set. The numbers shown in red indicate a change from the first printing of the D&D Expert Set, as well as the MU spell charts shown in D&D Rules Cyclopedia. So does anyone use the revised Magic-User spell progression chart?


L 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1 1 - - - - - - - -
2 2 - - - - - - - -
3 2 1 - - - - - - -
4 2 2 - - - - - - -
5 2 2 1 - - - - - -
6 3 2 2 - - - - - -
7 3 2 2 1 - - - - -
8 3 3 2 2 - - - - -
9 3 3 2 2 1 - - - -
10 4 3 3 2 2 - - - -
11 4 4 4 3 2 - - - -
12 4 4 4 3 2 1 - - -
13 5 4 4 3 2 2 - - -
14 5 4 4 4 3 2 - - -
15 5 4 4 4 3 2 1 - -
16 5 5 5 4 3 2 2 - -
17 6 5 5 4 4 3 2 - -
18 6 5 5 4 4 3 2 1 -
19 6 5 5 5 4 3 2 2 -
20 6 5 5 5 4 4 3 2 -
21 6 5 5 5 4 4 3 2 1
22 6 6 5 5 5 4 3 2 2
23 6 6 6 6 5 4 3 3 2
24 7 7 6 6 5 5 4 3 2
25 7 7 6 6 5 5 4 4 3
26 7 7 7 6 6 5 5 4 3
27 7 7 7 6 6 5 5 5 4
28 8 8 7 6 6 6 6 5 4
29 8 8 7 7 7 6 6 5 5
30 8 8 8 7 7 7 6 6 5
31 8 8 8 7 7 7 7 6 6
32 9 8 8 8 8 7 7 7 6
33 9 9 9 8 8 8 7 7 7
34 9 9 9 9 8 8 8 8 7
35 9 9 9 9 9 9 8 8 8
36 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9

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