BoddynockStotch wrote:Also, personally if this turns out to be some kind of net book. I feel that giff need a planet of their own. Either in our current day start a giff navel officer finally founded a sort of permanent HQ for the giff navy or they finally discovered their old home planet (I'm guessing some kind of jungle based world.) But I think they need a planet. I believe a few things we could agree on
The giff (and other new SJ races) definitely do need a homeworld, but IIRC* the canon says that they have "misplaced" their homeworld. Having a lost homeworld is OK, but you need to put in a backstory to back it up. Maybe the first giff in space were groundlings and got carted off to who knows where without paying attention to where they went.
* = I might be mixing them up with the dracons. This is part of the reason why I've put more effort into the wiki than this project. This sort of thing needs researching.
My best guess for the giff (and maybe the dracons) is that they come from beyond the Known Spheres on a groundling world with little to no contact with spacefarers. The transferred population would have needed to have been brought into the Known Spheres and then thrived and expanded far beyond the original population.
I don't especially think we need to fast-forward Spelljammer. The main thing we need to do is organise the canon into a much more logical form (i.e. you don't need to read about 6 sources before you realise that a + b + c = d). We also need to make a detailed assessment of what we do have and what is missing and then do something about the missing stuff.
I think the most amount of fast-forwarding I would ever
want to do is moving forward to the Second Unhuman War (so the Scro were a known threat), but that would rob GMs of the ability to use some of the SJ adventures, so might not be a good idea tactically. I'd say this should be a secondary project goal.
I think the main goal here has to be to help Beyond the Moons to get the 3e conversion finished. In fact, fast forwarding the timeline is probably going to be something that is as useful for AD&D GMs (or C&C GMs), so it might be better to try to make that sort of project into someting "systemless".
But there is no reason why "half finished" things from the AD&D product line couldn't be fixed up in the context of the original AD&D timeline. So I would certainly like to see the origin of the giff get a better explanation.
BoddynockStotch wrote:Then again I think the first of the project this area should focus on is what each special interest group does.
True. There is some description of some of the groups in CGR1 The Complete Spacefarer's Handbook. But this is not universal. Worse than that, many of these groups are not tied down to specific locations.
I think that one of the problems with Spelljammer is actually The Rock of Bral. With it being billed as a location you could put anywhere, I think that many of the organisations from the original boxed set were intended to go there. That isn't such a bad thing - they should get representation on Bral. But we also need to have multiple secondary locations for the multi-sphere organisations. I don't think they need to be in all spheres, but I do think that all the AD&D Adventures in Space organisations need to be in Greyspace, Krynnspace and
BoddynockStotch wrote:For instance in this restart has much changed for the POTS? I figure the Pragmatic Order of Thought is a little more organized. Their leaders have exchanged ideas with groups like the Harpers and they've got a bit more expertise on freeing/safekeeping slaves on the run from the chainmen.
As I said above, I don't want to go for a reboot.
Making the Pragmatic Order of Thought work a bit better could certainly be a good thing (as could playing down the POTs thing). I think that the role of the Pragmatic Order of Thought (which really should be POoT**) should be to team up with whoever is in the local area. So if a few Harpers manage to make it into Realmspace, they should assist them. But the group is designed to be disorganised, and I'm not so sure that we should remove that. It might be better to use
** = Not that that is any better.
So my question is: how can a lack of organisation be a good thing? Maybe if we stop thinking of them as a poorly organised anti-slavery organisation and thought of them as an organisation of freedom fighting cells, that might give them a more positive reason to be avoid organisation.
Think about it. They are up against all organisations that keep slaves. One of their major activities is to attack slave-ships and free slaves. With a 1,000 gp reward on the head of every member of The Order, they must have people try to infiltrate them on a regular basis. There must occasionally be spys hidden in slave ships and even if there are no professional spies the neogi and others are known to charm slaves and force them to do things against their will.
I say we should be treating the Pragmatic Order of Thought more like the French Resistance. Members should be captured or killed every so often and the organisation should be able to heal wounds in its structure, move vulnerable agents and get back to work.
BoddynockStotch wrote:The Company of the Chalice: I recently read about this group, and to me, they kind of have a Knight's Templar feel to them. Holy crusades against the neogi, and all that. By current day the "Great Crusade" Is launched to purge the neogi without mercy.
Actually, the boss of each sphere (the Grand Knight) is charged with "fighting the evil infidel". This may be the neogi in a lot of spheres, but not all of them. There will be some spheres where another race is seen as a greater threat and the Grand Knight decides to fight them instead. The way I read it, each sphere is supposed
to be self-sufficient and The Company in one sphere will not interfere with the running of another sphere, the Grand Knight of one sphere decides that the Grand Knight of another sphere has become a cause of evil himself.
BoddynockStotch wrote:Also had an idea for the calender known as E.R. (Emperor's Reckoning) to reflect the influence of the IEN, most civilized nations would adopt this calender (with the holdouts being their mortal enemies; like scro, neogi, or mindflayer.)
Interesting concept. It does have the feel of a retcon, so I would be cautious about rolling it out to third party races. But it might be a good idea for the EIN to have its own calendar.
Emperor's Reckoning also sounds a bit like Dale Reckoning, so that might give people the subconscious impression that the empire comes from Toril. Maybe something that was not similar to DL, FR or GH might sound a bit better.
I'm currently trying to knock up the sphere with the EIN homeworld, and am trying to fit in with the "nobody knows the elven homeworld" thing, by having the EIN partially disassociate themselves with their own home planet. The concept I am shooting for, is that to protect the Emperor from attack during the First Unhuman War, they made their own planet seem far less strategically important than it really was.
I'm still working on the details, but moving Lionheart away from the EIN homeworld could be part of an attempt to make the homeworld fade into the background and just be one more elven world.
BoddynockStotch wrote:As we go further either in different netbooks we can focus on more specific spots. Like a netbook devoted to Vodoni (that I think would be one of the longer ones, I mean they have 12 spheres in their empire. That's even if there empire still stands by our update.)
This sort of thing is definately a great long term goal. I would love to see netbooks dealing with The Known Spheres and I would love to see other netbooks that show people how to take Spelljammer and apply it to a different area of wildspace. Not everyone wants to play in the crossover spheres and deal with Dragonlance, Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms.
Collections of spheres like the Vodoni Empire could be a really great way to set up a self-contained SJ campaign that could be totally different from the sort of game you would get using the spheres from the AD&D Adventures in Space boxed set. It does need to be done.
Again I would love to see this happen, but it isn't strictly in the remit of the 3e project. I can see myself asking Ash for another SJ project space at some point.
I was hoping to get the 3e stuff done first, but maybe if there is interest in some things that would help players of all systems, that might get more input.