ripvanwormer wrote:That gets complicated because 4th edition FR was a continuation of 3e Realms canon while 4e Dark Sun was a clean reboot. So the Realms has an incharacter justification for why the Plane of Shadow became the Shadowfell (Shar messed with it) and in 4th edition Dark Sun it was just always that way. The City of Shade returned from the Plane of Shadow during the 3e era, when the Plane of Shadow, Demiplane of Dread, and Negative Energy Plane were all different places, so you can't really analogize that with Dark Sun's Shadowfell, which is sort of a mashup of all three and has always been like that.
Anyway, no, Domains of Dread can't escape from the demiplane in anything short of a Grand Conjunction. Netherese wizards transporting cities from the shadow plane isn't at all a similar thing because the Plane of Shadow isn't a prison.
What Rip said. Other than the Grand Conjunction itself (which failed due to heroic interference and re-shaped a good portion of the Demiplane of Dread), the only other known escapee of Ravenloft (well, besides Lord Soth, and that was due to Tracy Hickman's executive meddling, from what I understand) was Vecna, who actually absorbed the power of Iuz and nearly broke the entire multiverse (by using the Demiplane of Dread to shunt himself into Sigil, becoming perhaps the only god to invade the Cage) in the process.
As per the sex change for Thakok-An and Kalid-Ma, I was always sort of baffled by that, and kept it partially; I had Thakok-An become female but kept Kalid-Ma as such, partially because of the lack of real female representation amongst the Dragon-Kings (or would-be ones) and in part because it seemed more interesting to have a homoerotic take on the lengths Thakok-An would go to.
Ultimately, the bigger problem with the whole situation (albeit not much of one, given the reboot for 4th ed) is reconciling the timeline for things in Kalidnay since its transport. Since Kalidnay was destroyed appx. Free Year -1228/174 King's Age (Year of King's Contemplation)/570 CR in Ravenloft, and Van Richten couldn't have visited before 726 CR, either Ahmose Tanit was killed around Free Year -1372/172 King's Age/426 CR Ravenloft, or one of two things happened. Either a) Kalidnay floated around in the Mists a lot longer than anyone anticipated, in effect becoming the third domain (after Barovia and Forlorn) but didn't join the Core, especially since everyone seemed to have forgotten about Athas but remembered Ahmose just fine (at least, as a legend), or b) some really temporally-distorted kind of stuff happened. If not, then the future appearance of Castle Tristenoira in Ravenloft (which is set in the Core's future) happens during the past of Athas, roughly a decade or two before Oronis became the first avangion. I guess it could be C) they forgot about Athas but not Ahmose, but that seems like a bit of a cop-out.
God, this time stuff hurts my head.
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