Ari Marmell wrote:Q Also, given the Gothic Earth speculation, is there any hint of the Red Death or anything specific to the Masque of the Red Death campaign setting?
Ari : Nope, or at least, not in my novel. I guess it's possible such details could appear further down the line, though.
Havard wrote:Does the fact that most of the novels in my 1st post aren't listed at the Fraternity of Shadows website mean that those missing novels were not published?
There is a final TSR campaign setting that should be addressed: Earth, or at least a fantasy version of Earth. This campaign setting was not detailed in a unified series of products by TSR, but nonetheless it was detailed fairly well. The earliest details of the various Earth cultures and mythologies were in Deities & Demigods, expanded on in 2nd Edition’s Legends & Lore. Each of the major European mythological and legendary periods was further detailed in the seven book Historical Reference (HR) series. The Ravenloft line produced a setting hearkening back to its original gothic horror inspirational material with Masque of the Red Death and Other Tales and The Gothic Earth Gazetteer, each set in ‘Gothic Earth’ in the 1890s. Finally, in the Spelljammer: AD&D Adventures in Space boxed set The Concordance of Arcane Space (pp. 42 & 90) provided some very barebones detail on Solspace (including the name). Mythic/Gothic Earth did not have a single product line, but it was as well detailed across time as any of TSR’s other published settings.
In the article “Chronomancy & the Multiverse, version 1.1,” published online, Roger E. Moore explicitly linked the HR series books Mythic Earth with Gothic Earth. He went a step further, linking the Mythic/Gothic Earth with Laterre, the Earth on which the X2 Castle Amber and its sequel, Mark of Amber, placed the homeland of the d'Amberville family, Averoigne. Averoigne is one of the settings created by legendary fantasy/horror author Clark Ashton Smith.
As Rip Van Wormer has noted, this strongly implies that H.P. Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos and Robert E. Howard’s Hyborean Age are both part of Laterre (aka Mythic/Gothic Earth). This connection neatly ties the Cthulhu mythos described in the 1st edition of Deities & Demigods and TSR’s Conan modules into the AD&D multiverse. Taking that thought a step further, this is likely the same magical Earth that Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser visit in the 1947 short story, “Adept’s Gambit” which Fritz Leiber retcons to their Lanhkmar tales in 1968’s Swords in the Mist, which also ties TSR’s Lankhmar setting into the larger AD&D multiverse. This also provides the world from which the original Mulan of Faerun are taken. From a Spelljammer perspective it is also possible to link Laterre/Gothic Earth with the Space:1889 universe in line with the articles in Polyhedron #73 & #74.
Linking Laterre/Gothic Earth is easiest to bring into synch with Mystara, due to the d'Ambervilles, but it is complicated by that family’s penchant for sorcery and time travel. X2 Castle Amber (p19) places Averoigne in the “High Middle Ages (c.A.D. 1100 – 1350)” Mark of Amber (handout IV) places the events of X2 Castle Amber specifically in 979 AC. Roger Moore’s article places Averoigne circa A.D. 1600, and Mark of Amber (handout IV) is dated 1012 AC. Polyhedron #73 dates the discovery of Solspace by elven spelljammers to A.D. 1886 but doesn’t link it to another date, though given the elves are fleeing a goblin flotilla it implies this occurs during one of the two Unhuman Wars. The 3rd edition work, Lost Empires of Faerûn (p61), dates the snatching of Mulan slaves from Mythic Earth to -4366 DR but Powers & Pantheons (p94) specifically states they were taken from two different regions and time periods (thus explaining why the Mulan follow both the Egyptian and Babylonian pantheons).
Given these difficulties, this timeline defaults to Roger E. Moore’s explicit 1012 AC = A.D. 1600. This provides A.D. 1600 linked to 5049 OC, which is 1367 DR. That would make 1361 DR equal to A.D. 1594. However, although this link is used to let us date the Elven spelljammers’ discovery of Laterre, the nature of contacts between Laterre/Gothic Earth and the rest of the multiverse makes chronological variety not only possible but probable. Since Laterre seems to follow different physical rules than the rest of the multiverse, this makes sense.
I don't see any evidence that Madness in Harmony or Black Damask exist. No reviews and not for sale at any price. Walter H. Hunt's website doesn't mention Madness in Harmony but he did write a novel called Elements of Mind that takes place in Victorian India and incorporates horror elements. That might be useful inspiration for a Gothic Earth campaign. It seems possible that some of the research intended for Madness in Harmony eventually helped inspire him to write Elements of Mind instead.
Scott Fitzgerald Gray has a series of stories called Tales of the Endlands that look like they incorporate dark fantasy/horror elements. The blurb for The Voices of the Dead describes the Endlands as "an epic-fantasy realm in which nothing is ever what it seems, and where only the purest hearts survive the touch of all-consuming darkness." One of the stories looks like it takes place during something equivalent to our First World War.
In this EN World thread, Ari Marmell wrote, "The Ravenloft line was canceled. Heaven's Bones (and possibly one of the others) were far enough along in the process that they're coming out anyway. But the line is still dead." That thread must have been from before Black Crusade was cleared to be released as an ebook, though.
Note that Vampire of the Mists was originally published in 1991, long before the rest of this series was announced. They must have decided to reprint and repackage it as part of the latter line.
apotheot wrote:Heaven's Bones and Mithras Court were the only two physical novels released for the series. But Dark Crusade was released piecemeal electronically. These also followed a stand alone short story released on the wizards site called "Before I Wake". Sadly this latter one has been taken off the Wotc site and is not available anywhere I am aware of... Perhaps Ari Marmell will host his work to his site at some point if he is legally able. Otherwise I know text copies can be found in various places online.
None of these stories have any relation to each other, it was just an attempt to reinvigorate the francaise novel line in the wake of the Twilight mania. There were two other books that I know of that were planned, but I cannot at the moment recall their names or authors. They are not the two listed for sure. They were also far enough along as to once upon a time have amazon pages for them...but even those are long since gone.
The Vampire of the Mists print you mentioned was not part of the Dominion series, but the Covenant series, which was their attempt to republish the better novels from the old Ravenloft line.
Edit:> A quick search turned up this one which was also never publsihed https://www.amazon.com/Sleep-Reason-Ravenloft-Dominion/dp/0786949937 No luck with the other one though.
Havard wrote:Havard wrote:
Just talked to the author. He told me the book was written and he got paid for it, but then the line was cancelled before it went to publication.
MidwayHaven wrote:I'd like to think that the "Dominion" novels take place not necessarily in Gothic Earth, but on an Earth that is easily accessible by the Mists; just because something Gothic happens on an Earth setting doesn't mean that it's automatically the Earth featured in "Masque of the Red Death.".
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