3rd Edition Thralls

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3rd Edition Thralls

Post by hawkwood » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:37 pm

Hi all.

Third edition Talislanta has generally been my favorite version, and I was thinking of starting up a new game. Thralls have always been my favorite archetype, partly because they were on the cover of 2nd ed. They are supposed to be military geniuses, yet the 1st - 3rd ed didn't give them command or tactics skills. In 2nd ed, you got a free bonus skill, so you could always pick up Command with that skill. In 4th Thralls got tactics and command, but in 3rd edition, they would need to buy command as a rudimentary skill. I was thinking of

(1) adding command to the basic 3rd ed archetype. Any reason not to do so? OR
(2) add Tactics (which doesn't exist in 3rd ed), since Thralls understand tactics but are not necessarily leaders OR
(3) just giving them a 'tactical bonus' in mass combat when calculating MCR

Thoughts?

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Re: 3rd Edition Thralls

Post by Mulsiphix » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:41 pm

I don't see any reason not to add command to the basic 3E archetype. This was my first thought when I read your question. I'm not sure if #2 would present any kind of difficulties mechanics wise if you introduce this. I know very little of 3E. If #3 suits what you're after "feel" wise then I say go for it. The most important thing is that the Thralls in 3E look and feel the way you think they should in 3E. Generally with Tal balance isn't a serious issue. Tal chooses to be more thematic than "fair" IMO.
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Re: 3rd Edition Thralls

Post by hawkwood » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:08 am

yes, adding command makes the most sense to me too. They're supposed to be the premier warriors of Talislanta, yet don't have command. I could see an argument that they were bred to follow, no lead, in which case 'tactics' might make more sense.

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Re: 3rd Edition Thralls

Post by Justinov » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:26 pm

hawkwood wrote:Hi all.

Third edition Talislanta has generally been my favorite version, and I was thinking of starting up a new game. Thralls have always been my favorite archetype, partly because they were on the cover of 2nd ed. They are supposed to be military geniuses, yet the 1st - 3rd ed didn't give them command or tactics skills. In 2nd ed, you got a free bonus skill, so you could always pick up Command with that skill. In 4th Thralls got tactics and command, but in 3rd edition, they would need to buy command as a rudimentary skill. I was thinking of

(1) adding command to the basic 3rd ed archetype. Any reason not to do so? OR
(2) add Tactics (which doesn't exist in 3rd ed), since Thralls understand tactics but are not necessarily leaders OR
(3) just giving them a 'tactical bonus' in mass combat when calculating MCR

Thoughts?

Thanks
Not knowing about Talislanta I'm a bit surprised that Thralls (Old Norse for indentured servants) should be the primary warriors? I mean where should they learn all that stuff as Thralls often just tended animals and fields?!

Are they more like "Mamluks" - young boys forcefully taken from subservant ethnic/religious groups and being brought up in a military way?
The Mamluks eventually took power in Egypt, though still being slave-soldiers. They were often of Christian origins, especially from the Balkans.

If they are supposed to be military geniuses then I feel something like a Preussian army education might account for that and then certainly tactics and command should be central - so I'll go for the 4'th edition version!
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Re: 3rd Edition Thralls

Post by hawkwood » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:13 pm

Justinov wrote:
hawkwood wrote:Hi all.


Are they more like "Mamluks" - young boys forcefully taken from subservant ethnic/religious groups and being brought up in a military way?
The Mamluks eventually took power in Egypt, though still being slave-soldiers. They were often of Christian origins, especially from the Balkans.
They are a magically created warrior 'race' that were freed from their creators by a great magical disaster. So, they were sort of slaves and Mamluks might be a reasonable comparison.

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Re: 3rd Edition Thralls

Post by Justinov » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:31 pm

hawkwood wrote:
Justinov wrote:
hawkwood wrote:Hi all.


Are they more like "Mamluks" - young boys forcefully taken from subservant ethnic/religious groups and being brought up in a military way?
The Mamluks eventually took power in Egypt, though still being slave-soldiers. They were often of Christian origins, especially from the Balkans.
They are a magically created warrior 'race' that were freed from their creators by a great magical disaster. So, they were sort of slaves and Mamluks might be a reasonable comparison.
Sounds Mamluk-like, but since they have been freed, then they are not strictly slaves anymore. So they just kept using the name for historical reasons or is it what others still call them?
One would think they would start to call themselves something more grand then ;)
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Re: 3rd Edition Thralls

Post by hawkwood » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:02 pm

Thralls is the 'game' name for them. I guess that's what they and everyone else call them. They are portrayed as pretty no-nonsense, so I don't think they'd go after more grandiose names.

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Re: 3rd Edition Thralls

Post by Justinov » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:02 pm

hawkwood wrote:Thralls is the 'game' name for them. I guess that's what they and everyone else call them. They are portrayed as pretty no-nonsense, so I don't think they'd go after more grandiose names.
Thanks! That makes some kind of sense.
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