No male Muses?

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No male Muses?

Post by BillionSix » Fri May 18, 2012 7:22 am

I notice we have never seen a pic of a male Muse.

Not that I mind, since I like looking at the female ones.

Here's my thoughts on it, if I ever ran a game, this is how it would be.

Most Muses are female. Like 90%. It's one of their race's weird genetic quirks. The males are even less likely than the females to want to leave Astar, and why would they? Basically, they spend every day in Astar wandering from place to place having lots of sex with practically every woman they meet. That's their role. To be wandering seed dispensers.
That's not to say there aren't exceptions. Some might get a bit of wanderlust, or curiosity as to what the women are like outside Astar. It's not that they are less intelligent or capable, they just have a really good deal and stick with it.

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Re: No male Muses?

Post by writermonk » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:04 am

Sounds viable to me.

Alternately, all the Muses are female and a significant portion of their Whisp companions/familiars are male. Huge gender bimorphism in the same vein as the Batreans.
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Re: No male Muses?

Post by Big Mac » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:38 pm

Another possibility is that male Muses are very very pretty and often mistaken for females, by members of other races. Perhaps they might even have a metrosexual culture, where male Muse behavior is very very similar to female Muse behavior or maybe the males are usually even more "feminine" than the females. That might make it very hard to tell the sex of a Muse if they have their clothes on.
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Re: No male Muses?

Post by BillionSix » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:21 am

Big Mac wrote:Another possibility is that male Muses are very very pretty and often mistaken for females, by members of other races. Perhaps they might even have a metrosexual culture, where male Muse behavior is very very similar to female Muse behavior or maybe the males are usually even more "feminine" than the females. That might make it very hard to tell the sex of a Muse if they have their clothes on.
hehe. Bishie muses.

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Re: No male Muses?

Post by Cthulhudrew » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:51 am

Big Mac wrote:Another possibility is that male Muses are very very pretty and often mistaken for females, by members of other races. Perhaps they might even have a metrosexual culture, where male Muse behavior is very very similar to female Muse behavior or maybe the males are usually even more "feminine" than the females. That might make it very hard to tell the sex of a Muse if they have their clothes on.
That's kind of a cool idea, actually. Not dissimilar to the Berdache of Native American peoples pre-European contact. Or, for that matter, the more loose gender concepts of Ancient Greece compared to later post-Christianity times.
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Re: No male Muses?

Post by writermonk » Fri May 03, 2013 3:44 pm

Or to steal an idea from Hellas, the Muses do have both genders (or three, bear with me for that), but both genders look to outsiders to be female. Muses can tell one another apart, of course, through a variety of means, but physically and externally all of the "look female." Genitalia are hidden, withdrawn, whatever.

As far as three genders take the above idea, but expand it and toss in some bee-like activity. There are male and female Muses, but they do not procreate in the way that other species do, requiring instead a third-gender (the Whisps) to carry out fertilization/pollination amongst a group.
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Re: No male Muses?

Post by Big Mac » Sun May 05, 2013 11:33 pm

writermonk wrote:Or to steal an idea from Hellas, the Muses do have both genders (or three, bear with me for that), but both genders look to outsiders to be female. Muses can tell one another apart, of course, through a variety of means, but physically and externally all of the "look female." Genitalia are hidden, withdrawn, whatever.

As far as three genders take the above idea, but expand it and toss in some bee-like activity. There are male and female Muses, but they do not procreate in the way that other species do, requiring instead a third-gender (the Whisps) to carry out fertilization/pollination amongst a group.
Didn't Alien Nation have something like a third sex?
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Re: No male Muses?

Post by Mulsiphix » Sun May 12, 2013 10:40 pm

BillionSix wrote:Most Muses are female. Like 90%. It's one of their race's weird genetic quirks. The males are even less likely than the females to want to leave Astar, and why would they? Basically, they spend every day in Astar wandering from place to place having lots of sex with practically every woman they meet. That's their role. To be wandering seed dispensers.

That's not to say there aren't exceptions. Some might get a bit of wanderlust, or curiosity as to what the women are like outside Astar. It's not that they are less intelligent or capable, they just have a really good deal and stick with it.
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Re: No male Muses?

Post by BillionSix » Mon May 13, 2013 3:05 am

Mulsiphix wrote:
BillionSix wrote:Most Muses are female. Like 90%. It's one of their race's weird genetic quirks. The males are even less likely than the females to want to leave Astar, and why would they? Basically, they spend every day in Astar wandering from place to place having lots of sex with practically every woman they meet. That's their role. To be wandering seed dispensers.

That's not to say there aren't exceptions. Some might get a bit of wanderlust, or curiosity as to what the women are like outside Astar. It's not that they are less intelligent or capable, they just have a really good deal and stick with it.
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Re: No male Muses?

Post by hawkwood » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:31 am

Perhaps Muses are all female but reproduce through gynogenesis (kind of like parthenogensis) - like some mollies (a fish, Poecilia formosa). They have to mate with males of another species to stimulate egg development, but there is no exchange of genetic material. This would make whole lines of Muses clones, of course.

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Re: No male Muses?

Post by Justinov » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:16 pm

hawkwood wrote:Perhaps Muses are all female but reproduce through gynogenesis (kind of like parthenogensis) - like some mollies (a fish, Poecilia formosa). They have to mate with males of another species to stimulate egg development, but there is no exchange of genetic material. This would make whole lines of Muses clones, of course.
Nice idea!
Lot's of muses on a secluded island and the PC's arrive; a bit Odysseus-like. The question is what the muses do to the males beside inspire them......
You can also introduce the occasional mutation from the general clone pattern.
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Re: No male Muses?

Post by hawkwood » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:08 am

Yes, you'd get mutations. Unfortunately, most mutations are deleterious and you'd run into Muller's Ratchet where deleterious mutations accumulate and you can't get rid of them from the clonal line. But, I still like the idea.

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Re: No male Muses?

Post by Justinov » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:17 pm

hawkwood wrote:Yes, you'd get mutations. Unfortunately, most mutations are deleterious and you'd run into Muller's Ratchet where deleterious mutations accumulate and you can't get rid of them from the clonal line. But, I still like the idea.

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Some asexual reproducing creatures actually have sexual reproduction on occasion to avoid Muller's Ratchet - that a muse suddenly feel the urge for sexual reproduction might be an adventure in itself!
What does the rest of her society say to that for instance?!
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Re: No male Muses?

Post by hawkwood » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:14 pm

Ha. Could be Vulcan like...

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Re: No male Muses?

Post by Justinov » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:21 pm

hawkwood wrote:Ha. Could be Vulcan like...
if that could even be called sexual creatures :D
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