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Postby Farid » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:08 am

hello, guys

I'd like to know a little bit more about the warrior-slave. In main books of al-qadim we have only superficial information.

Is there an official history about Him in somewhere?

By the way, why vataqatal is called Warrior-SLAVE? Is he a slave?

Someone can help me?
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby Boneguard » Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:46 am

Farid wrote:Is there an official history about Him in somewhere?


Not to my knowledge

Farid wrote:By the way, why vataqatal is called Warrior-SLAVE? Is he a slave?



Because he's more then likely a Mamluk (have the kit of the same name) which mean he's a soldier who happens to be a state owned slave.
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby ripvanwormer » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:16 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if he was just the Zakharan aspect of Torm.
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby Farid » Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:35 am

Because he's more then likely a Mamluk (have the kit of the same name) which mean he's a soldier who happens to be a state owned slave.


Do you think Vataqatal was a Mamluk in the past? When he was a mortal?

I'm wondering about this... So, if he is a slave, who owns him?

I wouldn't be surprised if he was just the Zakharan aspect of Torm.


Maybe,because of Duty, right? But I see similarities with Tempus, Lord of Battles. Vataqatal is called, Master of the Battlefilds. But Tempus is Chaotic and Vataqatal would tends to Lawful...
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby Boneguard » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:58 am

Farid wrote:
Because he's more then likely a Mamluk (have the kit of the same name) which mean he's a soldier who happens to be a state owned slave.


Do you think Vataqatal was a Mamluk in the past? When he was a mortal?

I'm wondering about this... So, if he is a slave, who owns him?


It's possible...which would also explain his Lawful alignment as he was conditionned from birth to listen and follow order.

As a mortal he was state owned, so ultimately the Caliph waor Sultan is the owner (or whoever is the Head of State where they come from). As a Divinity, he could either be free, but having kept his former title of Warrior-Slave or he is ow the property of the Zakharan Gods pantheon with whoever is on top as his ultimate owner.
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby ripvanwormer » Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:13 pm

He could be a slave of Fate. As are we all.

The Zakharan gods don't really have alignments.
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby thorr-kan » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:03 pm

ripvanwormer wrote:He could be a slave of Fate. As are we all.

The Zakharan gods don't really have alignments.

They don't have ascended mortals, either. Doesn't fit the source material.

More likely, a local god mamluks began venerating. And his cult grew.
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby Farid » Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:28 am

thorr-kan wrote:They don't have ascended mortals, either.


Really? OMG! Could you tell me which book I can find it?

Maybe it can result a contradiction to my campaing...
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby thorr-kan » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:21 pm

Farid wrote:
thorr-kan wrote:They don't have ascended mortals, either.


Really? OMG! Could you tell me which book I can find it?

Maybe it can result a contradiction to my campaing...

Not specifically said, but all the material about gods goes on about how they are beyond mortal understanding and concerns. None of the example gods have any details of being ascended. None of the bad guys have ascention as a goal, and that's a pretty standard FR goal.
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby BlackBat242 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:27 am

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Re: Vataqatal

Postby Big Mac » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:47 pm

BlackBat242 wrote:Gods are gods, mortals are mortals, and they never cross between.


Not in Forgotten Realms. They had the Time of Troubles and Ao turned all the gods into mortals, some died and some mortals became gods.

But I don't know if this had much affect on the deities of Al-Qadim.
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby Big Mac » Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:44 am

Farid wrote:hello, guys

I'd like to know a little bit more about the warrior-slave. In main books of al-qadim we have only superficial information.

Is there an official history about Him in somewhere?

By the way, why vataqatal is called Warrior-SLAVE? Is he a slave?

Someone can help me?


I hadn't noticed Vataqatal. According to Forgotten Realms Wiki's article about Vataqatal pages 49-53 and page 55 of Land of Fate, page 18 of Arabian Adventures and pages 41-42 of The Complete Sha'ir's Handbook all have information about the deity.

But he is also mentioned on pages 26 and 29 of Corsairs of the Great Sea.
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Re: Vataqatal

Postby 2097 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:01 am

Vataqatal is worshipped, by warrior-slaves, in Qudra and the crimson mosque dedicated to Him is mentioned in Corsairs of the Great Sea.


My head-canon: Vataqatal is a mamluk in the cultural sense. He has the tattoos like mamluks has, and allegiance to the mamluks, without having an owner.
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