Nentir Vale and beyond: locales, cities and other regions

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Post by Zeromaru X » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:12 am

Updates with places from Psionic Power and the Last Legion article.

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Post by barrataria » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:10 pm

I've been looking all over the internets for this kind of intro to this world, so thank you very much. My homebrew bears a fair resemblance to this, likely because I tried to reverse-engineer from the B/X rules and modules as they seem to have done. I really never paid any attention to 4E so it's fun to make this kind of "discovery" of new info!

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Post by Zeromaru X » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:21 am

Thanks. I really hope you (and anyone) find this post useful.

BTW, I've updated the Moon Hills region with info from the Unearthed Arcana and the novels.

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Post by Zeromaru X » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:34 am

Added places from the short-story "The Decaying Mansion of Memories" to the unknown regions section.

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Post by willpell » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:00 am

Question, does the planet (or equivalent celestial object, or "the entire world" if it has no habitable Firmament surrounding it) that the Nentir Vale is on have a name? I've heard the name "Nerath" used a lot, but didn't know if that was any more than a modest region, equivalent to a European country or a United State, perhaps even a continent.

I know that canonically, the core 4E setting had a "points of light" theme which contraindicated the idea of having large-scale knowledge, but I'm hoping they let that slip one time and did establish a canonical name for the place. If people from all across Nerath and possibly beyond it managed to put together a Spelljammer and take off in it, looking down at their entire globe and then voyaging off to Oerth or Toril or Aebrynis, what would they end up calling their homeworld as a whole, rather than just the most dominant region of it (eg Nentir Vale or Rokugan or the Flanaess)? In the event of the "outer space? What's that?" version of this, substitute Planescape for Spelljammer, although I would imagine that the denizens of Sigil care somewhat less about distinguishing Ansalon from Krynn or Eberron from Khorvaire.

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Post by Zeromaru X » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:32 am

Nope. The scholars of that world didn't need a name for it, because its the only one planet in the crystal sphere (yeah, the concept of crystal spheres is canon in Nentir Vale; old plain Spelljammer), all other planets of the system were destroyed by the primordials or as collateral damage in the Dawn War. So, they just call it "The World", because is the only habitable world in this universe. Religious sages, however, call it "The First Work", as the planet was the first work of the primordials that the gods modified.

In other worlds/planes, it is called "the world of Nerath" because Nerath was its last great empire, an empire that usually sent sages and adventurers to other spheres so people knew it existed. Even one of the current Masked Lords of Waterdeep is Omin Dran, a guy that hails from Nentir Vale. And I'm pretty sure that in some places, like in Toril, people doesn't know yet that Nerath is no more (officially, Nerath had crumbled just a century ago).

So, pretty much for people like Omin, the World is just "the world of Nerath" while talking about it with other people.

EDIT: According to the 5e DMG, this world is also known as the world of the Dawn War. So, perhaps this is the name scholars from other worlds call it when refer to this planet/sphere/world.
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Post by Tim Baker » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:35 am

Zeromaru X wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:32 am
[O]ne of the current Masked Lords of Waterdeep is Omin Dran, a guy that hails from Nentir Vale. And I'm pretty sure that in some places, like in Toril, people doesn't know yet that Nerath is no more. So, pretty much for people like Omin, the World is just "the world of Nerath" while talking about it with other people.
I had no idea that was the case. Which book(s) is this in? I'd love to check it out.
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Post by Zeromaru X » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:46 am

Omin appears in Ed Greenwood's latest Forgotten Realms' novel, Death Masks. Chris Perkins confirmed that he asked Ed to include Omin in the novel, and that this Omin is the same old Omin from Incorporated Inc., the adventuring band that is depicted in adventures that took place in Nentir Vale, such as "Storm Tower" (the adventure that is published in the only one 4e Dungeon Annual).

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Post by Tim Baker » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:54 am

Zeromaru X wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:46 am
Omin appears in Ed Greenwood's latest Forgotten Realms' novel, Death Masks. Chris Perkins confirmed that he asked Ed to include Omin in the novel, and that this Omin is the same old Omin from Incorporated Inc., the adventuring band that is depicted in adventures that took place in Nentir Vale, such as "Storm Tower" (the adventure that is published in the only one 4e Dungeon Annual).
Super interesting. I wonder if Chris Perkins went to that effort in order to create a tie that can be used in later 5e products. I suppose we won't know until we wait long enough.
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Post by Zeromaru X » Tue May 29, 2018 6:02 pm

Included a lot of new areas, such as Ironwood ruins, the places from "The Decaying Mansions of Memories" and Mechanus.

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Post by DMSamuel » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:56 pm

This is a fantastic resource! Thanks so much for putting it all together.

Quick question, as I do not see it in your info anywhere - though it is possible I simply missed it in the mass of info you have provided...

In one of the very first 4e D&D game days there was an adventure called Tunnel Rats and it takes place in a town called Cimbus. This is the only product I have seen this town in, so far, and I was wondering if anyone here, especially Zermaru X knows anything about it.
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Post by Zeromaru X » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:54 pm

There is an update coming soon (as I have been reading more stuff).

Is this Tunnel Rats adventure set in the Nerath world? For this list, I've only taken into account products specifically set in Nerath. If you can clarify this, I'll appreciate it.

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Post by DMSamuel » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:01 am

Yes, I am almost positive it is - I only kept my 4e books related to the vale - I'm not at home right now, but I will look when I get home tonight and quote you a passage that indicates it is in the Nerathi region.
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Post by DMSamuel » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:09 am

Okay - so there were two things that happened that made me think the Tunnel Rats adventure was Nentir Vale related...
1) There is a mention of a Krant giving orders in the adventure and I thought it said Krand - as in Chief Krand of the Bloodreaver Clan (Slavers mentioned in H1). So I was wrong about Tunnel Rats being obviously in the vale.
2) I also recently read Into the Shadowhaunt, which DOES take place in the Nentir Vale (mentions Bael Turath in the adv background, and also mentions the Barrier Peaks later in the adv). Turns out I was conflating Into the Shadowhaunt and Tunnel Rats - sorry about that.

But that does lead to my next question, which should have been my first question... Is the Shadowhaunt Mausoleum in your notes anywhere?
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Post by Zeromaru X » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:53 am

Shadowhaunt Mausoleum will be in the next update (thanks to you), along with notes of Western Nerath and a possible third continent, and locales from the ancient empire.
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Post by DMSamuel » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:56 am

Sweet!!! I'm looking forward to it!
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