Bouv wrote:I love the other two books, just wish there was less of a wait time between them!
This is something that I find a bit baffling. During the 3rd Edition D&D era Kenzer and Co were churning out books for multiple product lines at a rate of knots. I'm still trying to hunt down old 3e D&D Kalamar books.
Now they have merged their Kingdoms of Kalamar campaign setting into their HackMaster ruleset, so that they have less stuff to work on, but their output seems to be considerably slower.
And, as someone who is interested in the campaign setting, but who wants to stick with the ruleset that Kingdoms of Kalamar used before, I'm glad to see that the GMG is out, but I'm wanting K&C to get done with the "Edition Treadmill" stuff, so that they can start putting out Kingdoms of Kalamar 5eHM books that have new content. I'm guessing that their first big book is going to be a 5eHM Kingdoms of Kalamar Campaign Setting
hardback, so that will be mostly reproducing what I've already got.
We seem to have waited for this book for 2 years. I hope that this has gotten things past the bottleneck and that we can see faster stuff soon.
DirtSkull wrote:Dust off this thread. Yeah. I'll probably put this book next to the other two on my shelf. They are great books and I did love playing this game but not sure when I'll get back to playing it. The comments flying around Kenzer & Co. for the delayed release seem bitter. But if you were running HM(this is the new HM we are talking about, not the 1&2e D&D clone)and had the GMG pdf, you should have been fine. The DMG for the new 5e D&D usually stays in the backpack during the game, other than critical hit/miss charts(which were availible)I'm not sure how NOT having this book prevented people from playing it.
People do get very bitter in the roleplaying community. It is a really sad thing. Because we can always stick with older books if we do not like newer books.
I can see why people might get impatient for a dead tree book, when a beta PDF is available. Some of us struggle with PDFs. I find them very useful for searching for things, but very hard to use for proper reading. There are books that I've had as PDFs for years and then I've gotten the dead tree version later and started to understand it more.
I'm also a little bit sad, but not bitter, because there is always time for K&C to change their mind, that they have some new stuff that seems to be PDF only. I hope that they change their minds and set up Print on Demand publishing on DriveThru RPG.
Crusoe45 wrote:No, you're right, not having the GMG hasn't prevented me from running HM 5th with the Basic rules plus the PHB and the Hacklopedia of Beasts. The GMG though bridges some annoying gaps - like criticals and fumbles and other things not covered in the Basic. Quite right also that everyone could have had the pdf by now BUT for those of us in the UK that pre-order cost around £80 whereas the book alone will probably cost around £35 delivered. For me that's a huge difference.
Hi Crusoe45. I don't think we have spoken before, so welcome to The Piazza! (I think I'm the first person to get to say this to you - so I win a "Piazza-point".
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Are you sure you are right on those numbers? I've seen Kickstarters that seem to be charging above the odds for backers before, but £80.00 for backers vs £35.00 to non-backers seems like really bad economics. If they are not overcharging by £45.00 that would seem to suggest they are being uneconomical with the distribution.
I recently bought into Kobold Press's Southlands Kickstarter (mostly because I wanted to get Anna Meyer's maps - I didn't have any Midgard products before that). After I bought into that Kickstarter, I went looking for some Midgard books to buy and saw a softback version of the Midgard Campaign Setting for sale on DriveThru RPG. It was full colour and it was Print on Demand and they printed it in the UK and that meant that I didn't have to pay the stupidly high shipping charges that USPS drops onto US companies that want to export RPG books.
I have previously bought RPG books from the USA, but the high shipping charges mean that good deals often get eaten away and the total cost of ownership prices me out of the market. So I'm really hoping that Kenzer & Co don't get pushed into a position where they can not sell physical products to non-US fans at reasonable prices. If they end up supplying all their non-US customers via USPS, they are going to be making money for USPS, rather than for themselves and the total size of the fanbase may shrink (meaning that I get less fans to talk to).
I really like what Bruce Heard is doing for Calidar. He does have help from people like Thorf, but he is pretty much doing it as a one-man-band, and yet he has set up several localised stores, so that people in various places in Europe can buy stuff in their own money. That stuff really makes it easier for customers.
I really hope to see K&C doing well. I hope to see them get through their core rulebook period and go onto make cool Kalamar stuff. I hope to see more fans turn up here and talk about more aspects of the setting. I hope it gets talked about more in the wider community.
I would really love to see Kingdoms of Kalamar get something like a sub-setting. A Hollow World, a Kara-Tur or a Taladas for Kalamar would be a real move forward for the setting.
The GMG is a stepping stone towards that sort of stuff. So I hope it comes out soon and that it does well.