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Post by Tim Baker » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:28 am

This just increased my interest in Ghosts of Saltmarsh. The book was designed for 5e by the fine folks at Kobold Press: Wolfgang Baur, Steve Winter, and Jon Sawatsky. When they created the Tyranny of Dragons books, they produced a special edition with signed bookplates. I wonder if they'll do the same for this one?

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Post by Big Mac » Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:07 am

Strange. Spoilers & Swag was kind of implying that Kate Welch was the driving force on this project, and now it looks like they outsourced a lot of the design work.

And when Mike Mealrs dropped the live-streamed Nentir Vale game I was under the impression he was also working on this book.
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Post by Havard » Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:34 pm

Great find!

I added a link to this thread in the Ghosts of Saltmarsh thread.

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Post by Dread Delgath » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:22 pm

Havard wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:34 pm
Great find!

I added a link to this thread in the Ghosts of Saltmarsh thread.

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Wouldn't it make sense to put ALL of these Ghost threads into one thread? We are talking about one product after all.

The same thing happened with the Isle of Dread and the Keep on the Borderlands threads. I went to look up a specific post and I couldn't find it because there were multiple threads scattered all over the forum, and I could not find the specific post. :roll:
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Post by shesheyan » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:53 pm

Dread Delgath wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:22 pm
Havard wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:34 pm
Great find!

I added a link to this thread in the Ghosts of Saltmarsh thread.

-Havard
Wouldn't it make sense to put ALL of these Ghost threads into one thread? We are talking about one product after all.

The same thing happened with the Isle of Dread and the Keep on the Borderlands threads. I went to look up a specific post and I couldn't find it because there were multiple threads scattered all over the forum, and I could not find the specific post. :roll:
I second this excellent idea! ;)

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Post by Tim Baker » Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:14 am

Dread Delgath wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:22 pm
Wouldn't it make sense to put ALL of these Ghost threads into one thread? We are talking about one product after all.

The same thing happened with the Isle of Dread and the Keep on the Borderlands threads. I went to look up a specific post and I couldn't find it because there were multiple threads scattered all over the forum, and I could not find the specific post. :roll:
The reason I didn't do that was based on the assumption that some people who may not be super interested in the book may take interest if they learn who wrote it. If I add a comment to the existing thread, only people who are following that thread will see it. But if I a create a new one, general 5e fans may scroll down the list of new topics and see something that interests them.

I totally get where you're coming from, though. Maybe the cons outweigh the pros of creating a new thread, in this case. I welcome other perspectives. If there's a clear majority, I'd be happy to handle it a different way in the future.

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Post by Zeromaru X » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:34 pm

Wasn't Tyranny of Dragons considered the worst 5e adventure so far? That the same authors are working on this one doesn't give me any confidence that this adventure will be good...

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Post by Tim Baker » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:12 pm

Zeromaru X wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:34 pm
Wasn't Tyranny of Dragons considered the worst 5e adventure so far? That the same authors are working on this one doesn't give me any confidence that this adventure will be good...
I think Princes of the Apocalypse is often listed as the worst 5e adventure, but Tyranny of Dragons is low on the list as well. However, considering it was being written before the 5e system was complete, I view Tyranny of Dragons with a sympathetic eye. Plus, I don't run 5e games anyway, so as a fun story that I can use as the basis for a 13th Age campaign, it works better in my opinion.

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Post by CommanderCrud » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:14 pm

Zeromaru X wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:34 pm
Wasn't Tyranny of Dragons considered the worst 5e adventure so far? That the same authors are working on this one doesn't give me any confidence that this adventure will be good...
Same here.

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Post by shesheyan » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:34 pm

CommanderCrud wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:14 pm
Zeromaru X wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:34 pm
Wasn't Tyranny of Dragons considered the worst 5e adventure so far? That the same authors are working on this one doesn't give me any confidence that this adventure will be good...
Same here.
I played through the first book and didn't finished the second. Here are my thoughts on the first book :

Quoting myself
«Final evaluation :
If you are looking for a sandbox style adventure this is not for you. This is a 100% certified railroad from beginning to end. There is only one order in which the arc storyline can be played out. Normally I would be annoyed by this. But taking into account the variety of the locations, the wide variety of adventure modes, the importances of social interactions throughout the book and a geographical trek up the Sword Coast that ends in the Greypeak Mountains its a DAM BIG ADVENTURE. It's true that the opening scene can result in TPK for inexperienced DMs.»
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Zeromaru X wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:34 pm
Wasn't Tyranny of Dragons considered the worst 5e adventure so far? That the same authors are working on this one doesn't give me any confidence that this adventure will be good...
Tim Baker wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:28 am
This just increased my interest in Ghosts of Saltmarsh. The book was designed for 5e by the fine folks at Kobold Press: Wolfgang Baur, Steve Winter, and Jon Sawatsky. When they created the Tyranny of Dragons books, they produced a special edition with signed bookplates. I wonder if they'll do the same for this one?
Wolfgang Baur and Steve Winter are legends in D&D design. A single bad product(?) would not make me stay away from those. I am less familiar with Jon Sawatsy, but looks like he has done a lot of 5E and Midgard stuff for Kobold Press.

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Post by Dread Delgath » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:38 pm

I'm not concerned about which house is doing the publishing, and collecting all related information regarding a specific subject (Re: Ghosts of Saltmarsh, or Keep on the Borderlands, or Isle of Dread, etc). :)

If facts scare people away from a product, then that's on them, not on revealing facts. Everyone is allowed to have opinions based on facts.

But if Bauer & Winter are writing Ghosts, then I think it should be pretty good. I honestly didn't pay attention to who wrote Tyranny of Dragons, and I don't even have the second book (Rise of Tiamat), and have never read the first too closely. (I just collected it for the items, NPC & monster stats in the back.)

...and aside from "Into the Borderlands", I've yet to run a single "adventure" for 5e, and I don't see that modus operandi changing soon, either. I place everything in a sandbox & pull what I need when the players find it. ;)

I just hope that Ghosts of Saltmarsh actually offers something new, in this case, that Princes of the Apocalypse did - if I expected a 5e treatment of Temple of Elemental Evil and they delivered Princes, then I got something new. Yay.

Same thing for Tomb of Horrors and Tomb of Annihilation - what I expected and what I got. Different. Yay. :cool:

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Post by Zeromaru X » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:31 pm

Well, I was only pointing out that using Tyranny of Dragons as publicity is not a good idea. Legends or not, is obvious that they didn't understood how 5e works at the time (which is sad, because this is the only dragon-themed product 5e has so far, and is really bad).

Perhaps they have dominated 5e by now, but still Tyranny of Dragons is so bad that it kills my hype that this adventure is from the same authors.

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Post by Havard » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:42 pm

Zeromaru X wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:31 pm
Well, I was only pointing out that using Tyranny of Dragons as publicity is not a good idea. Legends or not, is obvious that they didn't understood how 5e works at the time (which is sad, because this is the only dragon-themed product 5e has so far, and is really bad).
Ah, sorry I misunderstood you earlier :)

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