I agree with you somewhat. Some of the problem lies with the players, and I am ultimately responsible, not the edition. However, I feel that 5e's "Three Pillars" aren't enough to entice all players into treating the fantasy world as symbiotic. BX era D&D at least had rules for high level characters running strongholds, and that's a big enticement to get invested once this concept is shown as a reachable goal.shesheyan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:10 amFrom what I read part of your problem are some of the players, not the system. I've had rules lawyers and optimizers in every campaign since my first games with B/X. I talk to them on the side and if they don't want to understand that for me and the other players D&D is a roleplaying game first and foremost, I tell them not to come again.
I actually have proven this is possible in my 5e "Into the Borderlands" campaign as I nudge them into leadership roles and refurbishing Quasqueton as their base of operations, but some players are still intent of burning bridges as they cross them, rather than play if there are no consequences for treating NPCs badly because of character levels and the abilities they possess over 0 level NPCs.
Do I expect them to be LG heroes? No, but even Neutral and Evil NPCs agree to grease palms when it benefits them. This is something that most of my players refuse to do on a regular basis.
Yeah, its a great time to take an extended break from gaming altogether. Maybe the money I save by living in the middle of nowhere can be spent on more fruitful endeavors, such as buying a skype capable laptop, or saving up for GaryCon or North Texas Con.