ripvanwormer wrote:The ancestors of the yaggol had nautiloids (and/or other spelljammers), but they've devolved into primitive savages since their civilization was destroyed in the Cataclysm. They're larger and stronger than their ancestors, and their skin has chameleon ability, but their intelligence is low. They live in gloomy jungles rather than underground.
Interesting! I could see them having a primitive stronghold built around a crashed/abandoned Nautiloid....
The yaggol actually feature in the Taladas trilogy of novels. In there, they have communities based around step pyramids inside the jungles.
IIRC they were being led by another type of monster, but I've forgotten what type of monster it was. I think they had turned into a religious cult worshipping one of the evil Dragonlance deities.
For some reason, the novel said they were called "crawling maws" (or something similar to that). So after getting used to the idea of DL illithids being called yaggol, I got a third name to remember.
ripvanwormer wrote:If they ever had elder brains on Krynn, they likely died in the Cataclysm. I suppose you could include one if you really wanted to, but you'd have to explain why they devolved into savagery if they still had elder brains to guide them. Perhaps the elder brain has gone mad, or it's guiding an isolated pocket of yaggol who barely understand it.
Both are possible. Could we see a kind of devolved/mutated form of elder brain too?
I didn't see any sort of mention of elder brains in the Taladas trilogy, but I suppose there could be other yaggol outside the jungles of Taladas that still have elder brains.
You might want to look at Monster Manual V
, if you have it. It has some Thoon stuff that is related to illithids. It's not the same as what is going in with Taladas, but the changes between regular illithids and Thoon-illithids could give you a guide to the way to depict the difference between the original illithids that were in Krynnspace and the devolved illithid culture that now worships a DL deity, instead of the default illithid deity/deities.
ripvanwormer wrote:Their monster sheet suggests that the collapse of their civilization was caused by the Cataclysm rather than an inability to use psionics on the world of Krynn, though a slow loss of psionic power might have also been a factor if you want to go that way. I think the Cataclysm shattering their cities, collapsing their caverns, and killing their elder brains is probably enough explanation for yaggol degeneration in itself.
That opens up to a ton of possibilities! Could ruins of some of those lost cities still be found underground? Who would live in them now?
I don't get the impression there is a lot
of underground stuff in Dragonlance (and Taladas). I remember one underground city (where Bupu lived) but got the impression that there was not a full-blown Underdark. Maybe I got that wrong. Perhaps there are some Underdark adventures that I don't know about.
ripvanwormer wrote:The "other dimension" that elder brains access is the Astral Plane. I don't think there would be a problem with their elder brains accessing the Astral Plane, since there's no general problem with accessing the Astral in Krynnspace. Perhaps an assault by githyanki might be a factor. It's not clear that elder brains need access to the Astral Plane, though, or if they just prefer to store some of their mass there in order to not take up so much room on the Prime.
Interesting stuff. The idea of a Githyanki assault is intriguing.
Illithids are certainly one of the major Spelljammer elements that don't quite add up in Krynnspace. I never thought of a githyaki attack as a way to smack the race down (and cause it to devolve).