ExTSR wrote:Slightly incorrect. Gary (via his company Trigee Enterprises) created & owned DJ. NIPI had nothing to do with it.
Ah, thanks for commenting Frank! This ought to teach me not to trust Wikipedia
Actually independent tests show that Wikipedia is as accurate as Encyclopedia Brittanica
One thing to bear in mind is that anyone can edit Wikipedia, but some people are better at following the process than others. Wikipedians are supposed to provide "reliable secondary soruces" for any facts they add into a Wikipedia article. So if you are reading an article, and it makes a claim (like "NIPI supposedly owning DJ") you should look to the end of the sentence (or sometimes the paragraph) for a citation number (like this ""). If you click on the citation number, it will take you to the bottom of the article, where you can see the source of the supposed facts and double-check them yourself.
If you see Wikipedia articles with content that does not come with citations, that means that the editor that put it there did not take the time to demonstrate their sources. If you see content that is not properly citated, that is the content to trust less.
It still might be correct. There is a lot of correct information that gets put onto Wikipedia, without citations to back it up. And frustratingly, some of this content (that flouts the "no original reserach" rules) gets removed, instead of being tied up with reliable secondary sources that can back up the claim or an editor who does not want to go back and finishe the job.
But the great thing about Wikipedia, is that it can constantly be improved. And that is why, despite being behind Encyclopedia Brittanica in some areas, it is ahead of it in other areas.
Where did you see this error? I can not find a "New Infinities Productions Inc." article on Wikipedia* so I assume you are talking about something on another article. Did you fix the error in that article? Did you add a note on the talk page, to let editors know that it was an error (with a link to the post here where Frank Mentzer said this was wrong, so that people can verify your information)? We can actually fix this, so that someone else doesn't get trapped by the error that caught you.
* = I think is a bit of a shame, considering that this was the company that one of the inventors of D&D set up after being booted out of his own company. What happened with NIPI, especially the story of the events that led to it being shut down by TSR lawyers, as I think that shows you the sort of politics that Gary Gygax was dealing with, during the 2nd Edition AD&D Era.
Havard wrote:I have edited my original post removing the references to DJ. My main interest, at least for now, are the RPG products, especially the Fantasy Master Series. I am wondering if they can be used together? I would have liked to place the other three modules in the Æsheba setting, but it seems like the rest are more standard fantasy than Æsheba is.
I would have been interested to have seen what New Infinities would have done next
if it had not been zapped by TSR. I don't know if that led to anyone (like Gary or Frank) being pushed out of the industry, but there definitely would have been more from NIPI. It would have succeeded or failed on its own merits (rather than because of politics).
The Fantasy Master series might
have turned into a single campaign setting, it might have spawned a "Fantasy Master Roleplaying System" or NIPI might have done several settings (like Eldritch Ent is doing).
I also think that the 3rd Edition era could have been a very interesting time to have observed NIPI. With WotC taking care to open up the D&D system via the SRD, that would have been an opportunity for NIPI to have been at the forefront of the 3rd Party Publisher movement. If Gary had spent less time reinventing the wheel, perhaps we could have gotten a long run of a new Gygaxian campaign setting. Maybe there would have been time for him to finish publishing his megadungeon and to have done a lot of other stuff that old school gamers (and maybe new school gamers) would have really enjoyed.
And that is just the sort of stuff we might have gotten from Gary via NIPI. I do not really know the work of Robert J. Blake**, but maybe he might have given the world a Baldemar Campaign Setting. Maybe Frank might have been able to use NIPI to have given us a line of Aquaria products decades earlier. Maybe Tim Kask could have gotten his Makander Campaign Setting up and running earlier via NIPI.
** = I really used to know very little about the pre-2e designers, before I joined The Piazza. I'm not really an old school gamer, but I've really seen that I've missed out on the excitement of seeing the various RPG systems that led to "my D&D" being developed. I've been lucky enough to meet both Frank Mentzer and Tim Kask (from the very first few designers) and I'm sure that every other designer must have brought their own "stuff" along. Back during 2e I thought of D&D as something from the other side of the world that was kind of like a fluffy cloud that rained cool stuff. Perhaps it might be nice if we had some threads somewhere to talk about various D&D designers, including Robert J. Blake, so that the people who do know their work (or the people who worked with them) can tell us more about them.
And if you look at how Paizo used Ryan Dancy's SRD-lifeboat to build the Pathfinder Reference Document, when WotC shut down 3rd Edition D&D, I think that Gary and co could also have attempted to have kept the 3rd Edition era alive (if they had joined the 3PP movement). Paizo went one way, but just imagine if NIPI got Frank Menter to do the sort of reboot he did when he changed B/X into BECMI. Necromancer Gamers used to promote itself as selling "3rd Edition products with a 1st Edition feel", but it is possible that NIPI might have made the SRD into something that had a BECMI feel, with Frank's talents. That is a big string of maybes, but I would love to have seen what Frank Mentzer might
have created for a "New Infinities Reference Document" follow up to the SRD. I wonder if he could have reunited the new school and old school fans the way that WotC hopes to do with 5e.
However, we will never really know how much we lost. We will never know what future generations of tabletop fans have lost.
I'm sure that NIPI would have responded to the demands of the fanbase, so it really is impossible to work out exactly
where they would have gone if they had evolved for another (what is it?
) 30 years. But I would be interested to know if there are any vapourware products for New Infinities. They must have had some sort of documents that they were sending out to distributors. I'm assuming that some things must have been partially finished when the axe of TSR's lawyers fell.
I would love to know what the short-term aims of NIPI might have been.