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RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:44 pm
by shesheyan
With the success of D&D many titled their fantasy rpgs in similar fashion using the same letter twice.

D&D (abbreviation of two identical letters)
• T&T : Tunnels & Trolls
• C&C : Castle & Crusades
• DD : Dinky Dungeons
• DD : Dark Dungeons
• W&W : Wizards & Wyverns (micro indie)

• M&M : Mutants & Masterminds
• M&M : Mazes & Minotaurs
• V&V : Vikings & Valkyries
• B&B : Bunnies and Burrows
• V&V : Villains & Vigilantes
• E&E : Engines & Empires (steampunk Osr)
• FF : Fighting Fantasy
• C&C : Creeks & Crawdads (1986, parody)
• P&P : Powers & Perils
• LL : Labyrinth Lord
• B&B : Bandits & Basilisk
• D&D : Dangers & Dweomers
• S&S : Spellcraft & Swordplay
• S&S : Sword & Shield
• DD : Dragons at Dawn
• DD : Delving Deeper
• G&G : For Gold & Glory (clone of AD&D 2e)

AD&D (abbreviation of two identical letters with A in front)
• AD&D : Adventures Dark & Deep
• AFF : Advanced Fighting Fantasy


• Do you know of other such titles for fantasy rpgs ?
• What similar titles can you come up with ?

• Keeps & Knights is one I can think of.

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:09 am
by Yaztromo
Mutants & Masterminds
Mazes & Minotaurs
Vikings & Valkyries
All existing (and interesting!)

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:48 am
by Coronoides
There are two caratgories. Shared word (contains dragon(s) or Dungeon(s)). Formulaic ( x & y )

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:36 am
by willpell
There's a fictional RP game called Mazes and Monsters, in an early Tom Hanks movie of the same name.

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:59 am
by shesheyan
Yaztromo wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:09 am
Mutants & Masterminds
Mazes & Minotaurs
Vikings & Valkyries
All existing (and interesting!)
added to the OP

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:45 am
by Havard
GURPS Bunnies and Burrows

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:03 am
by Coronoides
Havard wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:45 am
GURPS Bunnies and Burrows
Or the original B&B. My old gaming group used to do B&B every Easter. I usually missed out due to family stuff :(
Sessions were themed
Bunnies in Glorantha (rabbit hat farm with my usual RQ PC as the monster)
Bunnies & William S Burroughs was messed up

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:07 am
by Coronoides
Tiny Dungeon
Dungeon World
DragonQuest
Dragonfire (featuring killer penguins)

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:00 am
by Khedrac
Chivalry and Sorcery

I am not convinced that the ones with simply either "Dragon" or "Dungeon" in the name really count as "similar"; for one thing, the title of this thread isn't names similar to "Dungeons and Dragons", it is name similar to "D&D" and it's in the abbreviation that the similarity or difference comes through.
All the "Xxxx and Yyyy" systems abbreviate to "X&Y" - a mnimum of three syllables. The ones without the and/& abbreviate very differently, usually to "DX" or "YD", e.g. DragonQuest abbreviates to DQ - i.e. two syllables and not similar to D&D.

Now to contradict my own logic I am going to suggest Advanced Fighting Fantasy, puely because of the word "Advanced" (because I am an old AD&D player).

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:43 am
by Morfie
Adventures Dark & Deep.

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:10 pm
by shesheyan
Khedrac wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:00 am
Chivalry and Sorcery

I am not convinced that the ones with simply either "Dragon" or "Dungeon" in the name really count as "similar"; for one thing, the title of this thread isn't names similar to "Dungeons and Dragons", it is name similar to "D&D" and it's in the abbreviation that the similarity or difference comes through.
All the "Xxxx and Yyyy" systems abbreviate to "X&Y" - a mnimum of three syllables. The ones without the and/& abbreviate very differently, usually to "DX" or "YD", e.g. DragonQuest abbreviates to DQ - i.e. two syllables and not similar to D&D.

Now to contradict my own logic I am going to suggest Advanced Fighting Fantasy, puely because of the word "Advanced" (because I am an old AD&D player).
«AD&D» inspired titles work. I'm opening a new category.

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:17 pm
by shesheyan
Coronoides wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:07 am
Tiny Dungeon
Dungeon World
DragonQuest
Dragonfire (featuring killer penguins)
While Dungeons & Dragons inspired these names do not abbreviate into two identical letters as per my OP.

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:43 am
by Big Mac
RPG Geek has a page for a game called Creeks and Crawdads!
shesheyan wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:44 pm
- DD : Dinky Dungeons
- DD : Dark Dungeons
Dark Dungeons is specifically named after the Jack Chick tract, rather than named to look similar to D&D. :)
shesheyan wrote:
Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:44 pm
- AF&F : Advanced Fighting Fantasy
I think that "&" might be a mistake. :?

Advanced Fighting Fantasy is related to Fighting Fantasy, so if you are going to include Advanced Fighting Fantasy, you might also want to think about including the original.

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:58 am
by snorri
Villains & Vigilantes (supers)
Engines & Empires (Steampunk Osr)

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:54 pm
by Havard
Powers & Perils.


Also D&D book titles like:
Deities and Demigods
Legends and Lore

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:07 pm
by shesheyan
All new titles added.

Powers & Perils by AH ! Found a v2 published in 2017 by the community. Very crunchy and detailed after a first look.

Other D&D books don't count as they are not a different game.

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:12 pm
by shesheyan
snorri wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:58 am
Villains & Vigilantes (supers)
Engines & Empires (Steampunk Osr)
E&E. I'll have to check that one out.

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:15 pm
by Havard
shesheyan wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:07 pm
All new titles added.

Powers & Perils by AH ! Found a v2 published in 2017 by the community. Very crunchy and detailed after a first look.
Yes, I tried to fiddle with it a little. I only picked it up because the designer was a close friend of Dave Arneson.
Other D&D books don't count as they are not a different game.
Yep. Just thought I'd throw them in there😊

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:56 pm
by Mike
Labyrinth Lord
Swords & Spells (by TSR long ago)
Swords & Sorcery (I think this was a Necromancer Games brand back in the 3E era)
Wizards & Warriors is an old computer game
Dungeons Dark & Deep
Knights & Knaves (a website)
Wyverns & Warriors
Bandits & Basilisk
Dangers & Dweomers
Mazes & Minotaurs
Spellcraft & Swordplay
Sword & Shield
Dragons at Dawn
Delving Deeper
For Gold & Glory (clone of AD&D 2e)

Labyrinths & Lizards
Advanced Labyrinths & Lizards
(Not real, i think; these showed up in a Google search)

There are also "pun names" like Truncheons & Flagons, Papers & Paychecks, Dungeons & Beavers (actual d&d variant played at caltech), Dungeons: the Dragoning (pun on WOD games)

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:03 pm
by Mike
I think these are comedy shows not games, but you asked "what can you think of"...

Dorks & Dragons
Dorks in Dungeons
Dungeons & Dorks

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:46 pm
by RobJN
Would "T&A" be a suitable stand-in for the Book of Erotic Fantasy...?

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:35 pm
by shesheyan
Many added to the OP. A lot of titles out there !!!!
Anything not a table top rpg is not eligible.

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:36 pm
by Tim Baker
  • Ambition & Avarice
  • Blood & Bronze
  • Blood & Bone
  • Clockwork & Cthulhu
  • Crypts & Creatures
  • Dragons & Demons
  • Dungeon Crawl Classics (with the alliteration at the end)
  • Dungeons & Delvers
  • Macchiato Monsters
  • Marvels & Malisons
  • Monsters & Magic
  • Myth & Magic
  • Mythic Mortals
  • Shadow, Sword & Spell
  • Sharp Swords & Sinister Spells
  • Swords & Six-Siders
  • Tavern Tales
  • Tombs & Terrors
  • Wizards, Warriors & Wyrms
  • Wonder & Wickedness
  • Wyverns & Warlocks

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:10 pm
by willpell
RobJN wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:46 pm
Would "T&A" be a suitable stand-in for the Book of Erotic Fantasy...?
Not really. I made the mistake of buying that book; not only is it really dumb and completely unplayable, but it's not really even all that sexy.

Re: RPG names similar to D&D ?

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:26 pm
by Dread Delgath
willpell wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:10 pm
RobJN wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:46 pm
Would "T&A" be a suitable stand-in for the Book of Erotic Fantasy...?
Not really. I made the mistake of buying that book; not only is it really dumb and completely unplayable, but it's not really even all that sexy.
Nothing could be worse than F.A.T.A.L. :shock:

Edit: I'd like to add a few after thinking about it...

Aces & Eights
Cadillacs & Dinosaurs
Cyborg Commando
Dice & Glory
Forgotten Futures
Freedom Fighters
Gunslingers & Gamblers
Lace & Steel
Man, Myth & Magic
Mercenaries, Spies, & Private Eyes
Pirates & Plunder
Skull & Crossbones
Starships & Spacemen
Wild West
Wizard's World

:cool: