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D&D Movie announced by Paramount for 2021

Post by Havard » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:47 pm

Also, Micronauts and GI Joe.

Maybe even ROM, Visonaries and MASK?

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Edit: John Campea talks about this D&D movie a bit at the beginning of this video and goes on a small rant on how wonderful tabletops RPGs are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlhjWKoHwOQ


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Re: D&D Movie announced by Paramount for 2021

Post by Big Mac » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:31 pm

Havard wrote:Edit: John Campea talks about this D&D movie a bit at the beginning of this video and goes on a small rant on how wonderful tabletops RPGs are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlhjWKoHwOQ
It's more like several minutes into the video, than the begining, but it's well worth watching.

I totally agree with John Campea's assessment, they should pretend this is the first D&D movie and not connect it to any of the previous ones.

I would also go further and say that Hasbro and Wizards of the Coast need to stop pushing "Dungeons & Dragons" as a name to be associated with a movie. D&D is a rules system. It's the "engine" not the "car".

The D&D IPs that actually have a soul to them are the campaign settings. That's what should be promoted as a movie - not a generic D&D concept. Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance both had novel lines with some very successful novels. Several other D&D settings had novels (including Greyhawk, Spelljammer, Mystara, Birthright and Dark Sun) but FR and DL have a lot of good stories to choose from. I would much rather see a novelisation of one of them than a generic fantasy movie with "D&D" slapped on it.

If Paramount didn't want to do a Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance novel I think they could also go for Greyhawk, based on the fact that it was Gary Gygax's D&D world. That might connect well with fans. I'd love to see a Gord the Rogue novel. (And I'd love to see Anna Meyer's Greyhawk map loaded onto a super-computer, so that we could get a view down on the Flanaess from space.)
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Re: D&D Movie announced by Paramount for 2021

Post by Havard » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:47 pm

Big Mac wrote:
Havard wrote:Edit: John Campea talks about this D&D movie a bit at the beginning of this video and goes on a small rant on how wonderful tabletops RPGs are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlhjWKoHwOQ
It's more like several minutes into the video, than the begining, but it's well worth watching.

I totally agree with John Campea's assessment, they should pretend this is the first D&D movie and not connect it to any of the previous ones.
I think Campea missed that there have been 3 D&D movies so far rather than one. I think that both the first and second movie were theatrical releases?
I would also go further and say that Hasbro and Wizards of the Coast need to stop pushing "Dungeons & Dragons" as a name to be associated with a movie. D&D is a rules system. It's the "engine" not the "car".

The D&D IPs that actually have a soul to them are the campaign settings. That's what should be promoted as a movie - not a generic D&D concept. Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance both had novel lines with some very successful novels. Several other D&D settings had novels (including Greyhawk, Spelljammer, Mystara, Birthright and Dark Sun) but FR and DL have a lot of good stories to choose from. I would much rather see a novelisation of one of them than a generic fantasy movie with "D&D" slapped on it.
As much as I share your fascination with the settings, I think both Paramount and Hasbro only care about D&D being the most marketable brand. I do believe they will use the Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance for the next movie though, even if it is called D&D. Maybe they would call it D&D: Baldur's Gate or something?
If Paramount didn't want to do a Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance novel I think they could also go for Greyhawk, based on the fact that it was Gary Gygax's D&D world. That might connect well with fans. I'd love to see a Gord the Rogue novel. (And I'd love to see Anna Meyer's Greyhawk map loaded onto a super-computer, so that we could get a view down on the Flanaess from space.)
Is there actual talk of novels? I guess a novel based on the movie type thing is not out of the question....

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Re: D&D Movie announced by Paramount for 2021

Post by ghendar » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:17 pm

So maybe this is the D&D movie that they'll finally get right? <fingers crossed>
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Post by Angel Tarragon » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:52 pm

Speculation on the news of a new D&D movie as well as on D&D 6th Edition!
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Post by Big Mac » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:23 pm

Havard wrote:
Big Mac wrote:I would also go further and say that Hasbro and Wizards of the Coast need to stop pushing "Dungeons & Dragons" as a name to be associated with a movie. D&D is a rules system. It's the "engine" not the "car".

The D&D IPs that actually have a soul to them are the campaign settings. That's what should be promoted as a movie - not a generic D&D concept. Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance both had novel lines with some very successful novels. Several other D&D settings had novels (including Greyhawk, Spelljammer, Mystara, Birthright and Dark Sun) but FR and DL have a lot of good stories to choose from. I would much rather see a novelisation of one of them than a generic fantasy movie with "D&D" slapped on it.
As much as I share your fascination with the settings, I think both Paramount and Hasbro only care about D&D being the most marketable brand. I do believe they will use the Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance for the next movie though, even if it is called D&D. Maybe they would call it D&D: Baldur's Gate or something?
It's not so much my facination with campaign settings, but the fact that I believe that "Dungeons & Dragons" is not a marketable concept. If you "sell" a movie as a "Dungeons & Dragons movie" I expect a movie about D&D (like Mazes and Monsters. I do not expect to see a story with the quality of the Dragonlance Chronicles, the Cloakmaster Cycle or the Tomb of Horrors. It's just not a name that implies anything beyond RPG rules.

They didn't market "JRR Tolkien" movies - they marketed Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit.
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Havard wrote:If Paramount didn't want to do a Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance novel I think they could also go for Greyhawk, based on the fact that it was Gary Gygax's D&D world. That might connect well with fans. I'd love to see a Gord the Rogue novel. (And I'd love to see Anna Meyer's Greyhawk map loaded onto a super-computer, so that we could get a view down on the Flanaess from space.)
Is there actual talk of novels? I guess a novel based on the movie type thing is not out of the question....
I have not heard any talk about the novel lines being restarted, but if you look at the movie business, especially the fantasy movie business, there is almost always a novelisation of the movie, a bunch of tie-in novels and tie-in comics.

It does not seem to make sense to me for Hasbro to be spending a lot of money recovering the movie rights and then not having the various things that normally surround a movie franchise. It's a bit like they are undermining their own business plan.

Perhaps WotC should just outsource their novels. I bet The Ed Greenwood Group could do a decent job of looking after Forgotten Realms.
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Post by Havard » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:40 pm

Big Mac wrote:It's not so much my facination with campaign settings, but the fact that I believe that "Dungeons & Dragons" is not a marketable concept. If you "sell" a movie as a "Dungeons & Dragons movie" I expect a movie about D&D (like Mazes and Monsters. I do not expect to see a story with the quality of the Dragonlance Chronicles, the Cloakmaster Cycle or the Tomb of Horrors. It's just not a name that implies anything beyond RPG rules.
I don't know. Many people have played D&D. They have memories of D&D. Maybe they played in Greyhawk or the Forgotten Realms or Mystara, but they just don't remember that because they were casual players. That doesn't mean they didn't love the experience.

I think the name Dungeons & Dragons implies everybody's homebrew campaign.


I have not heard any talk about the novel lines being restarted, but if you look at the movie business, especially the fantasy movie business, there is almost always a novelisation of the movie, a bunch of tie-in novels and tie-in comics.
Yes, that would be pretty cool :)
It does not seem to make sense to me for Hasbro to be spending a lot of money recovering the movie rights and then not having the various things that normally surround a movie franchise. It's a bit like they are undermining their own business plan.
From what I understand, Hasbro has entered a deal with Paramount for producing movies based on many of their properties. Perhaps that could involve those side products as well?

Perhaps WotC should just outsource their novels. I bet The Ed Greenwood Group could do a decent job of looking after Forgotten Realms.
Outsourcing novels would be awesome.

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Re: D&D Movie announced by Paramount for 2021

Post by shesheyan » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:48 pm

I'll believe it when I see it...

If they could turn Dragon Lance into a trilogy of movies it would be awesome.

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Post by Big Mac » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:29 am

Havard wrote:
Big Mac wrote:It's not so much my facination with campaign settings, but the fact that I believe that "Dungeons & Dragons" is not a marketable concept. If you "sell" a movie as a "Dungeons & Dragons movie" I expect a movie about D&D (like Mazes and Monsters. I do not expect to see a story with the quality of the Dragonlance Chronicles, the Cloakmaster Cycle or the Tomb of Horrors. It's just not a name that implies anything beyond RPG rules.
I don't know. Many people have played D&D. They have memories of D&D. Maybe they played in Greyhawk or the Forgotten Realms or Mystara, but they just don't remember that because they were casual players. That doesn't mean they didn't love the experience.

I think the name Dungeons & Dragons implies everybody's homebrew campaign.
Homebrew D&D is exactly what they did with the first novel...and I honestly can't see the point of it. I had no emotional attachment to the concept. It was meaningless.

And looking at this from the other end, if I did want to see a homebrew campaign, like Thorn's Chronicle, get turned into a movie, I really would not be interested in an association with D&D. And from a business point-of-view, it would obviously be better to ditch D&D IP and make something like Thorn's Chronicle into a movie about itself.
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Post by Big Mac » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:31 am

shesheyan wrote:If they could turn Dragon Lance into a trilogy of movies it would be awesome.
A Dragonlance trillogy would indeed be awesome.

They tried it with the animated Dragonlance movie, but Paramount bottled out.

There was also a bid to follow the animated DL movies with live-action DL movies, but that went nowhere. (And the live action attempt seemed to undermine the attempt to complete the animated versions.)
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Post by Havard » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:57 am

Would love to see a Dragonlance movie or even a Trilogy.

I think one problem a Dragonlance movie would face is that they need to make sure it doesn't appear to be too similar to either Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones. I don't think it should be too difficult, but it is frustrating that GoT stole the "Dragons returning" type thing.

I think both Tanis and Raistlin are characters that have tons of potential to be explored on the big screen though.

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