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[Marvel's] Black Panther

Post by shesheyan » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:01 pm

As anyone seen it yet. Is it any good ? How does it rate with other Marvel movies? 192 millions in the first three days is the 5th best weekend in history.
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Re: [Marvel's] Black Panther

Post by Seethyr » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:19 pm

shesheyan wrote:As anyone seen it yet. Is it any good ? How does it rate with other Marvel movies? 192 millions in the first three days is the 5th best weekend in history.
As a Marvel fanboy I should abstain but yeah, it’s awesome. I’d rank it below GotG, Dr. Strange, Iron Man 1, the Captain Americas, the recent Thor and the first Avengers - maybe on par with Ant-man or Spider-Man but above the others.

I don’t think it deserves 97% on Rotten Tomatoes but I’m no critic.

I’ve said it before but I think Katashaka in the Realms deserves a hidden high magic region like Wakanda that keeps itself secret from the world. It would be so cool to either use a material like mithril to replace vibranium or reskin the metal and keep its properties.
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Re: [Marvel's] Black Panther

Post by Ashtagon » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:11 pm

I'm not a fangirl of Marvel generally (I can normally take or leave superhero films generally). But Black Panther is one of the best re-tellings of Hamlet and more filler text so it's not obvious just from the length I've seen. Well worth the money.
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Re: [Marvel's] Black Panther

Post by Havard » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:53 pm

I liked it.

It is not a perfect movie, so don't let the hype trick you into going in with too high expectations.

However, it is solid and some elements are excellent. Really great acting and an interesting setting. Many cool characters.

I think a few characters were a bit wasted in the movie.

Really looking forward to seeing Black Panther and Wakanda again in Infinity War! :)

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Post by Cthulhudrew » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:54 am

I enjoyed it quite a bit, but it only ranks about middling in my estimation of the Marvel films (Winter Soldier remains my favorite). I am a pretty big Black Panther fan, though, so I admittedly had some pretty high expectations.

The movie takes a lot from my favorite runs on the title (Don McGregor's Jungle Action series, which did for Wakanda what Claremont/Byrne did for Wolverine, as well as Priest's run, which drew on McGregor's mythos heavily, but brought T'Challa to the world stage in ways he never really had been), and draws on runs that I'm not as big a fan of (Hudlin's). For all of that, though, the movie is very much its own thing- it condenses some of the comic characters and storylines in a way to fit the shorter and even more visual medium, and recasts T'Challa in a way that is quite different from most of his comic depictions (here, he is a character becoming the Black Panther of the comics as opposed to already being that character, and- perhaps so as not to cover territory already covered in some of the other MCU characters- he isn't quite the technical genius he is in the comics), but is consistent with the groundwork already laid in Civil War.

It felt like a lot of the character moments got jettisoned in favor of a high-intensity, high-visual (and CG) action movie, and some of the interviews I've read seem to bear that sentiment out. Which is a shame, because those are what I most wanted to see. The end is that a couple of characters feel like afterthoughts, or plot devices, rather than being necessary elements of the final product, and I think the movie suffers from that.

I really did enjoy M'Baku the most, I think- although again I think there are some things they could have done with his character that would have been more interesting, and fitting, given where the movie starts and ends up that directly impact upon the mission statement he has set for his people (and that he lays out for T'Challa in his first appearance on-screen). Visually it was stunning; like Thor: Ragnarok just a few months ago, it is mostly shot in bright settings, so you get a rich, colorful palette that stands in pretty stark contrast to how so many superhero (and heavily CG'd) movies are typically shot. I like this trend that is happening (if only we can also get back to more practical effects and actual stuntwork, as opposed to the digital characters). Plus the location shots are absolutely gorgeous (albeit not all shot in Africa).

Again, I had a pretty high bar for this film, and it didn't deliver all that I hoped it would, but I am absolutely thrilled that it has been getting such a great reception, and that people are taking it so closely to heart. While I think some of the depictions of this as the apparent second coming are a bit overhyped, it is still pretty touching to see and hear some of the personal accounts of people who feel like they have a visual representation of themselves on the big screen. I'm glad this film was made, and will certainly be looking forward to the sequel.
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Re: [Marvel's] Black Panther

Post by shesheyan » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:26 am

Thank you for the comments.
I learned to curb my enthusiasm about Marvel movies after seeing Iron Man 3 (Mandarin)... :facepalm:
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Re: [Marvel's] Black Panther

Post by shesheyan » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:44 pm

Sociologically speaking it is a very important movie for the Hollywood studio system, africains and afro-americans. Sadly, it has flaws that the hype can't erase. I found the predictability of the plot annoying. Some of the CGI effects were not at par with the other movies. Also, the lighting in darker scenes was sometimes inadequate. On the plus side, acting was excellent, outdoors shooting is always a plus, the setting fascinating... traditional clothing that turn into energy shields and armored rhinos! How cool is that!

A 7 on 10 for me. Captain America #1, Ironman #1 and Gardians of the Galaxy #1 remain my top 3 Marvel movies.
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Post by Seethyr » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:17 am

On the plus side, acting was excellent
Michael B Jordan was over the top though. His overacting has ruined a couple of super hero movies for me. Well I guess you can’t technically have ruined Fantastic Four lol, but he overplayed Killmonger.

I’m surprised you didn’t put Thor 3 above this or even Dr Strange.
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Re: [Marvel's] Black Panther

Post by shesheyan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:52 am

Seethyr wrote:
On the plus side, acting was excellent
Michael B Jordan was over the top though. His overacting has ruined a couple of super hero movies for me. Well I guess you can’t technically have ruined Fantastic Four lol, but he overplayed Killmonger.

I’m surprised you didn’t put Thor 3 above this or even Dr Strange.
I guess its personal preference. I didn't see his performance as over the top.

Black Panther is mid-range for me. Strange is top range but not top three. Haven't see Ragnarok yet. Waiting for cable rental. There are so many Marvel movies out now (18!) that its getting difficult for me to rank them other than top, mid and bottom categories.
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Re: [Marvel's] Black Panther

Post by night_druid » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:52 pm

In my opinion, it was OK. Not great, about average. Its flaws aren't so glaring as to hack me off (such as recent Star Trek/Star Wars movies do), it just felt...out of place. Wakanda seems better suited as its own world somewhere in the galaxy that the Guardians might run across. Which is more a "flaw" of the comic than the movie. I'd have similar problems of having Savage Land in the MCU. But just a matter of taste, really.
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Re: [Marvel's] Black Panther

Post by Cthulhudrew » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:48 pm

night_druid wrote:In my opinion, it was OK. Not great, about average. Its flaws aren't so glaring as to hack me off (such as recent Star Trek/Star Wars movies do), it just felt...out of place. Wakanda seems better suited as its own world somewhere in the galaxy that the Guardians might run across. Which is more a "flaw" of the comic than the movie. I'd have similar problems of having Savage Land in the MCU. But just a matter of taste, really.
Wakanda is one of those places that has evolved beyond its origins in the comics. When it first appeared, yes- there were definite high-tech elements to it, but overall it remained a largely traditional nation. Over the years, the degree of just how advanced they are has pretty much skyrocketed, to the point where they are now this massively super-modern city. The movie just took that even further to what it is now, with the holographic technology keeping them hidden from the outside world (I'm not entirely sure the comic version is even quite as advanced as it was in the movie, though I haven't read any BP in a while. I gave Coates' run a few issues, but it just didn't grab my attention enough to continue.)

I definitely see your point, though. I think part of the issue with some of these aspects of the comics is how they are introduced so haphazardly. If the worlds had been designed with these ideas in mind from the start (hidden highly advanced society, hidden prehistoric land, etc.) then you can better structure the world to account for it, and organically integrate them. When you don't, you get the feeling of getting hit by the retcon hammer.

Of course, the Marvel movie universe has some of the same issues- they are kind of making things up on the fly, depending on what movie and characters they want to add into the mix- but they also have the advantage of knowing they have all these disparate properties out there as potential future inclusions, so you'd think they could better make allowances for the possibility of them. If you watch Iron Man, and then check out some of the newer movies, you get that same sort of disassociation feeling, I think. If they'd have known about all these other things at the time, then Iron Man's appearance wouldn't have been nearly as impactful to the world at large in the movies as it was.
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