RobJN wrote:“Thank you, Petra!” she cried. It was the glare of the sun that brought the tears to the corner of her eyes, she was sure of it.
From behind her, a distant voice answered.
“No thanks are necessary! Any enemy of the Beast Men is a friend of mine, but you are quite welcome, just the same!”
Chimpman wrote:Yay! I'm really loving this exploration of old Traladara!
The dwarves also brought a big smile to my face. Their king at the time would be Blystar III. I believe that the Realm of Othrong is also just over the border in what will be the Shires, so this is a pretty dark time. About 60 years from now the dwarves and orcs will be fighting over that territory, so it's quite likely that there is a significant dwarven presence in the general area, and that those dwarves are very expansionist in their outlook. If the Glittering Land strives to mimic its predecessor (the Shimmering Lands) in any way, these dwarves could be very bad news.
I'm also wondering what kind of role the hin would play in all of this. With their own people just recently enslaved, there may be a few hin freedom fighters running around out there.
Chimpman wrote:Oh... I'm all caught up here now. Next I need to get back to Thorn.
Anyway, back to the dwarves and hin for a bit... I'm starting to think that it makes a lot of sense for Loktal Ironshield to operate in these parts around this time frame. He might start out as a mercenary commander (with a healthy dose of delusional grandeur), eventually leading up to the point where he becomes King of the Glittering Lands in BC 929.
I could see a young Loktal allying himself with the humans and hin against the "beast men" in the south, and actually playing a pivotal role in overthrowing Raurgh BC 964 and in establishing a new halfling government in the area. There he becomes entrenched in the politics of the land, lending the use of his mercenaries to whichever of the hin leaders will most bend to his will (there are still plenty of orcs around that will need to be fought off). Then in BC 938 he grabs the chance to seize power for himself directly, by overthrowing the hin government (during the time of their greatest need) and consolidates his power by BC 929. He is then able to use this great victory to propel himself to the crown of the Glittering Land. If you're taking any requests under consideration, I'd love to see Loktal make an appearance.
...Here is another stray thought. Why would a dwarf be called Loktal Ironshield during a Bronze Age era?
RobJN wrote:I'm thinking the dwarves were an age ahead of the Traldar when it came to smithing. Not wanting to give up their edge over the humans, I could see why they wouldn't be willing to trade these secrets to the humans. Chances are, if the orcs hadn't been around, the dwarves would have spent their time conquering the humans.
Chimpman wrote:RobJN wrote:I'm thinking the dwarves were an age ahead of the Traldar when it came to smithing. Not wanting to give up their edge over the humans, I could see why they wouldn't be willing to trade these secrets to the humans. Chances are, if the orcs hadn't been around, the dwarves would have spent their time conquering the humans.
Yes, that does seem likely. That kind of "we're going to keep all this good stuff for ourselves, even in your time of need" attitude probably doesn't endear the dwarves to any of their neighbors. On the other hand, it might also be why Blystar III is able to defeat the orcs when all of his neighbors seem to be falling to them.
I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I simply love this era and there is so much going on during this time. We have Minrothad and Oenkmar being founded 100 years before (give or take), so there are definitely Nithians around, and quite possibly a humanoid "empire" centered in the Broken Lands. Wogar's tribe rules over Atraughin. You have the Realm of Othrong, the Beast Man/gnollish invasions, elves disappearing from the Shires, dwarven expansionists, Alphatians arriving in the east, and who knows what else. It's just a lot of fun to think about this era
Chimpman wrote:...Here is another stray thought. Why would a dwarf be called Loktal Ironshield during a Bronze Age era?
RobJN wrote:I'm thinking the dwarves were an age ahead of the Traldar when it came to smithing.
It's funny you should mention Loktal, because his legacy comes into play in the main Chronicle in the coming "weeks."
chimpman wrote:...elves disappearing from the Shires, dwarven expansionists...
RobJN wrote:I don't mind the hijacking! It's good to (finally!) get some feedback. The rest of the readership is content to just read (which is good, but feedback is always better). There is a LOT going on in the wider Known World around this time, but it feels to me like all the nations are a bit more isolated, especially in a Thorn-ized version of the world. Clerics might have the means to communicate with each other over great distances, but their concerns would likely be tied up in dealings within the individual churches. Wizards as such do not exist, and those that do are even more reclusive than the stereotypical "mad wizard in the tower." Wizards in greater numbers? Sure, in Nithia. And we'll see where that gets them in another 500 or so years....
RobJN wrote:I haven't precisely set the date that the Handmaidens arrive in Traldar, but it is likely closer to the middle than the end of the 40 years' war with the gnolls. Dates being approximate, I'd say this could be around 980ish? 985ish? The Three would likely be in their mid 20s.
RobJN wrote:The 960s seem a pretty pivotal decade: the gnollish invasion would be broken, as would Raurgh's rule over the halflings further west. One wonders if Loktal did not get his hands on whatever weapons the Traldar used to overcome the gnolls and use it to cement his rule over the Glittering Lands...
Gecko wrote:Chimpman wrote:...Here is another stray thought. Why would a dwarf be called Loktal Ironshield during a Bronze Age era?
Maybe in Thorn's mystara he got Justin's shield? haha.
Gecko wrote:chimpman wrote:...elves disappearing from the Shires, dwarven expansionists...
wait a sec... are you saying that the gentle elves disappearance coincided with dwarven expansion in the hin lands in the timeline? If so I never made that connection (I thought the elves left long before the dwarves came). If so, some Interesting possibilities there - that's what I get for not knowing my Hinstory.
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