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Jennite Horsemen

Postby Argentmantle » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:09 pm

So... does anyone happen to have a better looking Jennite style stock picture to work with...

I don't love this one.

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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Justinov » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:31 pm

Depends whether Jennites are to be equivalent to for instance Persian, Turkish, Uzbek, Mongolian or Manchu horse-riders?

Neutrally speaking the picture you found looks great!
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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Havard » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:46 pm

The Jennites are early Iron Age horsemen, although I am not sure about ethnicity at all actually.

Here is one painting that is available under the Creative Commons lisence. Although it might not be useful for a cover, parts of it could be useful for interior illustrations?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Steeds.jpg

Below is an awesome image and the page says there is a creative commons lisence at work, but it seems too good to be true?

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Fi ... Khan_3.png

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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Argentmantle » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:06 pm

I'm going to venture out on a limb that the 2nd image is NOT a Creative Commons image. I could be wrong...
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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Sturm » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:52 am

Well they should be scythians and not mongols, but I don't know if something could be find free to use:
https://www.google.com/search?q=scythia ... FwINtmM%3A
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Scythians
Maybe?: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cate ... thians.png

An Amazon or woman warrior also would be more appropriate, as the HW Jennites are matriarchal, but it doesn't seem easy to find pictures:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Amazons
maybe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arturo_Mi ... helena.jpg
unless there is something of the Goddess Artemis as hunter:
https://www.google.com/search?q=artemis ... l7wz3uM%3A
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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Justinov » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:21 pm

So if Jennites are more Scythian we have these eastern horsemen:
We have this original portraits of a Pazyryk man in style (first image below). So that's how a stylish (gentleman?) warrior looks like!
Love the "Schnurrbart" and Mohawk? (or is a stylish Phrygian style headwear). From 300 BC Pazyryk, Russia in Southern Siberia (south of Novosibirsk) near the Altai Mountains.

Though listed as "Scythian" it is either
1) Broadly called Saka.
Herodotus does in fact write, that Persians (also Iranian-speaking group) called all Scythians "Sacae".
The Persian King Darius I wrote in Persepolis about "the Sakās who are beyond Sogdiana".
You have 8.000 Iazyges (Iranian speakers) horsemen, who where placed for 25 years along Hadrian's wall by Marcus Aurelius in England in 175 AD accordng to a peace treaty.
Alans (Iranian speakers) went with Vandals from somewhere in central eastern Europe to cross the Rhine together in 406 AD, then pushed on to Spain, then on to Morocco (fleeing the Visigoths hired by the Romans) and finally conquering modern Tunesia (then Africa Proconsularis), before they were defeated and both ethnic groups were sold into slavery by Belisarius the famous Byzantine commander).
They were by far the most wide-spread indo-european linguistic group back then (Before the age of exploration)! From England to Mongolia in the Iron Age is pretty impressive.

2) OR the Pazyryk man could be "Tocharian" (a very early Indo-European migration east and the original and first human inhabitants of the Tarim Basin (modern Xinjiang, China) from 2000 BC, until they disappeared (linguistically, culturally, and ethnically) be the hands of the Uighur Turks (had conquered the area in ~842 AD). Unknown if it was voluntary or not.
It's probably that this people was the one called "Yuezhi" by the Chinese and who were what the greeks (Alexanders forces) called Tókharoi (Τοχάριοι). They were critical in spreading Buddhism (and also Manichaeism) east along the Silk Road.

Image of the "Pazyryk rider": As Pazyryk is quite north of the Tarim Basin it is likely an eastern extent of the Iranian speaking people called by the Chinese "Wusun". Lived north of the Yuezhi (Tocharians). East of the Wusun lived those people the Chinese called "Xiongnu", that could be the Huns that later arrived in Europe.
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Source: https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2801/444 ... 0fc2b3.jpg

Red-haired and blue-eyed Tocharian Buddhist monk from 800-900 AD (Bezeklik, Tarim Basin), before their Tocharian language and ethnicity had disappeared:
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Source: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Monks.jpeg

Interesting female "Tocharian" mummy from the Tarim Basin (Zaghunluq, 1000-600 BC) with tattoos on forehead and hands and pigtails.
Head: http://www.slightlywarped.com/crapfacto ... rim_45.jpg
Hand: http://sangbleu.com/wordpress/wp-conten ... 1_5008.jpg
Full image: http://stashpit.com/upload/big/2014/01/ ... 5b5d1.jpeg

Pazyryk woman with tattoos:
Source: http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_ ... -1-web.jpg

Pazyryk warrior with tattoos (mummy still has reddish-blond hair - all Scythian/Iranian speaking people were described as red-haired, though important to note that "red" hair can be the result on soil chemistry):
Source: http://johnhawks.net/graphics/pazyryk-male-mummy.jpg

Map of central Asia 323 BC: [At Alexanders death]
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massageta ... _323bc.jpg

Map of central Asia 200 BC: Tocharians have split into two groups, some fled west others stayed in the Tarim Basin. Xiongnu (Huns?) have absorbed the Wusun ("Saka") and Yuezhi (Tocharian) states and are expanding west.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu#/ ... _200bc.jpg
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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Argentmantle » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:16 am

See, I always considered the Jennites to be Sarmatian... hmmm... I'll figure something out.
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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Justinov » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:51 am

Argentmantle wrote:See, I always considered the Jennites to be Sarmatian... hmmm... I'll figure something out.


The Iazyges, Sarmatians and Alans were the geographically westernmost based Iranian speaking horsepeople at the time of later Rome.
The Iazyges (part of the great Sarmartian confederation) had arrived in Ukraine 200 BC and then in the 1st century BC settled in Hungary and Serbia.
They were mercenaries for both Romans and Persians, or fought them both allied with Eastern Germanic people (goths and vandals) and later Huns.

The Alan's were split up in many groups, but one survives today as the "Osset people" in the Caucasus. In fact the only Iranian speaking group that are Christians today as far as I know. They called themselves originally BOTH "As" [interesting from as Scandinavian point of view where Snorri say that the Aesir (singular Ás) came from the east to Scandinavia!], but later adobted the Georgian name for them "Osebi" and name for their land "Oseti" AND "Alan" which is a dialectal form of Indo-Iranian Aryan (where l and r are approximate the same sound).
Amazing Alan migrations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans#/me ... ni_map.jpg (yellow is raids).

It is interesting while Germanic horse auxiliaries had ranking indicated on their belts, the idea of later heavy armoured knights with heraldic shields and headcrests might actually have originated among Iranian-speaking people. That is also the idea behind the Iazygi (Sarmatian) influence on the Arthur legend.

Ossetians:
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Source: http://ossetians.com/pictures/new/25.jpg

From the "Issyk Kurgan" north of Sogdiana in modern Kazakhstan (so in all likelihood Saka territory) we have this magnificent cataphract parade? armour from 300-200 BC.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issyk_kur ... mperor.JPG
Unknown if the skeleton was male or female, but age ~18.

After the fall of the Parthians Persia the Sassanid dynasty took over from 224-651 AD
Sassanid medium cavalry: Modern reconstruction by Ardeshir Radpour.
His own site with pictures have many dead links - so found some of his pictures from other people on the net - but his site still have some good armour pictures [http://www.radpour.com/index.php/armor]

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Sources: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3VA0CQWrkcI/U ... phract.jpg

Sassanid heavy cavalry (also adopted by the Byzantines and called cataphracts):
Source: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 003_06_2(1).jpg
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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Hausman » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:30 am

So... any news about the PDF?? =)
amazing cover art!
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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Cthulhudrew » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:18 am

I had a cover art design for this many moons ago. I originally posted it and a couple of others in this thread), but the links are now dead. I'll look and see if I can find it somewhere, but I'm honestly not sure where the original file is. On one of my old hard drives, I believe, but it might take me a bit to find it.

EDIT: Found it.
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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Sturm » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:15 am

Beautiful cover!
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Re: Jennite Horsemen

Postby Hugin » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:56 pm

Absolutely love the cover. And I bet the inside will be just as great!
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