Guard Drakes and Crested Felldrakes

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Guard Drakes and Crested Felldrakes

Post by Icarus » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:06 pm

Further note on the similarity of the Guard Drake to Felldrakes ... specifically the Crested Felldrake:
I think after viewing the art for the two different minis, I would catagorically put them in the Ravillan faction - because they *look* like they're s'posed to be the same monster.
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Pictured are two Crested Felldrakes, and a Guard Drake.
Also, an interesting addition ... apparently during 4th Edition, there were more Felldrakes added than were just in 3rd Edition. There are, in sum:
  • Crested Felldrake
  • Spitting Felldrake
  • Spiked Felldrake
  • Horned Felldrake
  • Tri-Horned Felldrake
  • Hissing Felldrake
  • Leaping Felldrake
[Edit: Mystery solved. After a great deal of reading and research, I found a fairly obscure factoid: Crested Felldrakes were bred from Guard Drake Stock. I would go into greater detail, but I think that's a bit too much of a digression for this thread.]

{Edit 2: corrected links for drake illustrations. No longer on photo sharing site.)
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Re: Guard Drakes and Crestred Felldrakes

Post by Big Mac » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:17 pm

Icarus wrote:Further note on the similarity of the Guard Drake to Felldrakes ... specifically the Crested Felldrake:
I think after viewing the art for the two different minis, I would catagorically put them in the Ravillan faction - because they *look* like they're s'posed to be the same monster.
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Pictured are two Crested Felldrakes, and a Guard Drake.
Nice find. :)
Icarus wrote:Also, an interesting addition ... apparently during 4th Edition, there were more Felldrakes added than were just in 3rd Edition. There are, in sum:
  • Crested Felldrake
  • Spitting Felldrake
  • Spiked Felldrake
  • Horned Felldrake
  • Tri-Horned Felldrake
  • Hissing Felldrake
  • Leaping Felldrake
Which ones are the 3e one and which are the 4e ones? And What book can I find them in?

EDIT: I can find a Battle Sheet for the Horned Felldrake, but not one for the Guard Drake. What Chainmail source can I find that in?
Icarus wrote:[Edit: Mystery solved. After a great deal of reading and research, I found a fairly obscure factoid: Crested Felldrakes were bred from Guard Drake Stock. I would go into greater detail, but I think that's a bit too much of a digression for this thread.]
I've put my moderator hat on and made a new topic, so we can digress as much as we like. ;)

Do you think that some sort of Guard Drake breeding program would work for the Empire of Ravilla?

I wonder if the different types of Felldrakes could be individual breeding programs in the same way that there are multiple duelling socieities. :idea:
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Re: Guard Drakes and Crestred Felldrakes

Post by Big Mac » Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:40 am

You might also be interested in the dinosaur riding halflings in Eberron Campaign Setting. Here is a picture of on from WotC's Art Gallery:
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Re: Guard Drakes and Crested Felldrakes

Post by Icarus » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:38 pm

Big Mac wrote:... Which ones are the 3e one and which are the 4e ones? And What book can I find them in?
Well, they've been done and re-done, actually, some appeared in both 3rd and 4th Editions. Primarily, though, the Crested, Spitting, Spiked, and Horned Felldrakes were from 3rd Edition. The Crested Felldrake specifically first appeared in Dragon Magazine #285 "The Empire of Ravilla", I think.
The fourth edition ones followed; Tri-horned, Hissing, leaping, and the Crested Felldrake, again.
There were more "Drakes" than just felldrakes, and they actually became fairly common during 4th Edition. In a couple of volumes in the Monster Manual and Monster Vault series.
I can find a Battle Sheet for the Horned Felldrake, but not one for the Guard Drake. What Chainmail source can I find that in?
I didn't find the Guard Drake, or its connection to the Crested Felldrake, until I started going through the D&D Miniatures line in the previous thread. There are stats for the Guard Drake in the 4th Edition Monster Manual.
I've put my moderator hat on and made a new topic, so we can digress as much as we like. ;)
Do you think that some sort of Guard Drake breeding program would work for the Empire of Ravilla?
I wonder if the different types of Felldrakes could be individual breeding programs in the same way that there are multiple dueling societies. :idea:
Glad to have a fresh topic. :)

I undoubtedly think that breeding programs exist in Ravilla for drakes. Dragon-related creatures are incredibly common in Ravilla. ... not so common that, like, half the population are half-dragons, or anything - but, they're there. I imagine drakes and related creatures to be as common in Ravilla as horses and dogs are in American and British society. And in just the same way, I imagine that they would be bred in a similar fashion (but probably in a more caring, considerate way). Drakes are used in every conceivable manner ... guards, hunting companions, military animals, mounts, messengers, and even beasts of burden.
So, while I don't think that certain breeds of drakes (or felldrakes) would be exclusive to particular Dueling Societies, I could certainly see some of them sporting kennels and breeding for which they're known. For example, Dalmatians certainly can be found elsewhere than firehouses, but, they are definitely known for having been bred by and serving alongside firemen. Or German Shepherds serve with MP units, or the Mule served so much in olden days that they are now the mascot for the entire US Army.
And obviously, as I said above, there'd be some drakes that would undoubtedly be simple companion animals, as there are some breeds no bigger than a dog, and some (like Felldrakes) that wouldn't really be found in civilian sectors much, being bred primarily for war.
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Re: Guard Drakes and Crestred Felldrakes

Post by Icarus » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:41 pm

Big Mac wrote:You might also be interested in the dinosaur riding halflings ...
Hmm. I can't recall whether it was you who mentioned it to me, or someone else, but, I was pleasantly surprised to remember these little guys. While I don't think that "most" Felldrakes are ridden, there's some drakes that could be, no doubt. I'll have to look into them some more. There's bound to be some good stats for them. :)
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Re: Guard Drakes and Crested Felldrakes

Post by Big Mac » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:36 pm

Icarus wrote:
Big Mac wrote:... Which ones are the 3e one and which are the 4e ones? And What book can I find them in?
Well, they've been done and re-done, actually, some appeared in both 3rd and 4th Editions. Primarily, though, the Crested, Spitting, Spiked, and Horned Felldrakes were from 3rd Edition. The Crested Felldrake specifically first appeared in Dragon Magazine #285 "The Empire of Ravilla", I think.
The fourth edition ones followed; Tri-horned, Hissing, leaping, and the Crested Felldrake, again.
There were more "Drakes" than just felldrakes, and they actually became fairly common during 4th Edition. In a couple of volumes in the Monster Manual and Monster Vault series.
I can find a Battle Sheet for the Horned Felldrake, but not one for the Guard Drake. What Chainmail source can I find that in?
I didn't find the Guard Drake, or its connection to the Crested Felldrake, until I started going through the D&D Miniatures line in the previous thread. There are stats for the Guard Drake in the 4th Edition Monster Manual.
I've not got the 4th Edition Monster Manual. (I decided to get off of the "Edition Treadmill" when the 3.5 Era came to an end.) But I have bought some 4e books, strictly on the basis of how much stuff I can raid for a 3e game. I might start a topic in the 4e forum to ask how much new stuff is in there and how easily it might be to retro-convert monsters (including the Guard Drake) to 3e rules.

I need to find the time to go through all of those Dragon Magazine articles and learn some of this stuff off by heart.

It might be worth making my own Chainmail Campaign Setting book, that collates all the rules into a form I can find. But anything like that would be something I could not circulate. And if I can't circulate things, it doesn't help build up the community. Perhaps some sort of "Chainmail RPG Rules Index" that has book and page listings for everything in all the products would be something that could be done on a "share with the community" basis.
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Big Mac wrote:I've put my moderator hat on and made a new topic, so we can digress as much as we like. ;)
Do you think that some sort of Guard Drake breeding program would work for the Empire of Ravilla?
I wonder if the different types of Felldrakes could be individual breeding programs in the same way that there are multiple dueling societies. :idea:
Glad to have a fresh topic. :)

I undoubtedly think that breeding programs exist in Ravilla for drakes. Dragon-related creatures are incredibly common in Ravilla. ... not so common that, like, half the population are half-dragons, or anything - but, they're there. I imagine drakes and related creatures to be as common in Ravilla as horses and dogs are in American and British society. And in just the same way, I imagine that they would be bred in a similar fashion (but probably in a more caring, considerate way). Drakes are used in every conceivable manner ... guards, hunting companions, military animals, mounts, messengers, and even beasts of burden.
That is amazing. I never noticed that about Ravilla before. It's a real "unique selling point" to the culture. :)

Do you know if this is something that started with the gray elves if if the practice came from the wood elves? (My gut reaction would be to think it was more of a ranger/druid thing than something the elite in mountain cities would do.)
Icarus wrote:So, while I don't think that certain breeds of drakes (or felldrakes) would be exclusive to particular Dueling Societies, I could certainly see some of them sporting kennels and breeding for which they're known. For example, Dalmatians certainly can be found outside firehouses, but, they are definitely known for having been bred by and serving alongside firemen. Or German Shepherds serve with MP units, or the Mule served so much in olden days that they are now the mascot for the entire US Army.
Sorry. I explained that badly.

In my mind, I'm having the view that particular Dueling Societies would be founded in a specific city, with an arena or other combat area...and that people wanting to learn that style would go to live or study in that specific city. They might migrate away later, and might even take on pupils later, but I'm thinking of the societies working a bit like a university of combat.

I wasn't thinking of the Dueling Societies doing the same thing for dinosaurs. But I thought that there might be breeders that are localised to specific areas.

Perhaps the dinosaurs would be raised in open areas, outside cities. Perhaps there might be a number of ranches where dinosaurs are bred, broken in and taught tricks by people with animal skills.

If there are specific breeds (like a Guard Drake) I can imagine that being a bit like a dog breed. I suppose there could be kennels and stuff like that, but that doesn't feel to elven to me.

Put this stuff together and run with it and you get the possibility of "Jurassic Park" areas of land, where there are dinosaur monsters roaming free that might eat any PCs or NPCs who try to cut through that land. :cool:
Icarus wrote:And obviously, as I said above, there'd be some drakes that would undoubtedly be simple companion animals, as there are some breeds no bigger than a dog, and some (like Felldrakes) that wouldn't really be found in civilian sectors much, being bred primarily for war.
It sounds like we would need to look for some sort of "Dinosaurise This" Template that can be used to convert ordinary mammals to dino-replacement critters. :)

Unless there is an existing D&D product (or d20 System product) that has a ton-o-dinosaurs in it. :?
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Re: Guard Drakes and Crested Felldrakes

Post by Icarus » Thu May 31, 2018 7:32 pm

Going back over this thread … I don't know how I managed to let this thread go. It's one of my favorite topics.
I think that the Drakes are integral to Ravilla.
But, especially in that last post or two, it seems we somehow migrated from Drakes to Dinosaurs.
In my head, I just kind of replaced "Dino-" with "Drake".

While I don't want to accidentally divert the thread - artistically, I really like the depictions of a similar culture in the "Dinotopia" novel series.
I really think that if one replaced the dinosaurs with drakes and dragonkin in those illustrations, and humans for grey elves, for example, one would get a very good idea of how I imagine the inclusion of Drakes in Ravilla to look. I like the inclusion of felldrakes and the like, because it really makes a clear distinction in the Ravillan culture. These aren't your typical elves, not even typical grey elves.

I say dragonkin, though, not because I think there's half-dragons all that commonly, or whataever … but, more because I imagine if dragons are so strongly a part of the Dragon Empire/Ravilla, I think that there'd be mounts and flyers that aren't necessarily Felldrakes.
Perhaps wyverns, for example.
Maybe there'd even be other species of things like wyverns that look a little different than the one single species of wyvern in the Monster Manual.

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Re: Guard Drakes and Crested Felldrakes

Post by Big Mac » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm

Icarus wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 7:32 pm
Going back over this thread … I don't know how I managed to let this thread go. It's one of my favorite topics.
I think that the Drakes are integral to Ravilla.
But, especially in that last post or two, it seems we somehow migrated from Drakes to Dinosaurs.
In my head, I just kind of replaced "Dino-" with "Drake".
That was probably my fault. A halfling riding a small dinosaur looks very much like a halfling riding a drake. :oops:
Icarus wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 7:32 pm
While I don't want to accidentally divert the thread - artistically, I really like the depictions of a similar culture in the "Dinotopia" novel series.
I really think that if one replaced the dinosaurs with drakes and dragonkin in those illustrations, and humans for grey elves, for example, one would get a very good idea of how I imagine the inclusion of Drakes in Ravilla to look. I like the inclusion of felldrakes and the like, because it really makes a clear distinction in the Ravillan culture. These aren't your typical elves, not even typical grey elves.
I don't think I've read Dinotopia, but raiding from that and converting from dinosaurs to drakes and dragonkin is a brilliant idea!

One other interesting/important thing about the cities of Ravilla, is that they are not the original homes of those elves.

They all abandoned their homes in the mountains and moved to the Abyssal Gateways, and then built cities around them.

So not only do you have elven cities where drakes and other related creatures would be walking the streets, you would also have cities where hordes of monsters from the Lower Planes are held back only by elven defences.

If infiltrators sneaked into a Ravillan city and slew the guards around an Abyssal Gateway there would be an invasion that would sweep through the city. So there must be a sort of military preparedness that just would not be anything like the sort of defence strategy you would see in other elven nations on Oerth (or other D&D worlds).

I would imagine that the "safe" zone of a Ravillan city would be a ring around the Abysssal Gateway. With the Empire Sundering and everyone scrabbling for the items of Stratis, the elves might need to point their defence outwards, but it would probably also be vital to be able to send hundreds of thousands of Guard Drakes and Felldrakes inwards...perhaps even at a moment's notice.

I think those Ravillan Dueling Societies are supposed to be evidence of elves getting bored with the high military alerts and coming up with ways to amuse themselves.

Perhaps there would be similar things done by people that get bored spending hundreds of years breeding Guard Drakes and Felldrakes.

Maybe there would be races, similar to greyhound races. People might use some sort of drake to pull chariots or carts (even if they couldn't breed varieties that could be ridden).

If you didn't want to go down the route of dinosaur-sized drakes, maybe you could go the other way (and have cat-sized drakes or dog-sized drakes).
Icarus wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 7:32 pm
I say dragonkin, though, not because I think there's half-dragons all that commonly, or whataever … but, more because I imagine if dragons are so strongly a part of the Dragon Empire/Ravilla, I think that there'd be mounts and flyers that aren't necessarily Felldrakes.
Perhaps wyverns, for example.
That sounds good. There was supposed to be flying rules for Chainmail. Maybe wyverns would have been included in it.

I wonder if there is a list of all the creatures related to dragons. (Echohawk might have one.)

I would be very hesitant to try using draconians in the Sundered Empire (as they feel too much like a Dragonlance thing). I know that TSR were going to do something with draconians (as they featured in one of the lost Wildspace novels) but I would probably be more likely to go with something more like the dragonborn, from 4e.

There is also that thing with kobolds going from dog-like creatures to dragon-like creatures. Kobolds could tie into the dragon themes of the Sundered Empire too. (They might be on the opposite side from the elves, but they could fit in with the culture. And maybe they could have their own evil drakes and felldrakes.)
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Thu May 31, 2018 7:32 pm
Maybe there'd even be other species of things like wyverns that look a little different than the one single species of wyvern in the Monster Manual.
Jeff Grubb had a rule for Spelljammer GMs, where he suggested taking an existing monster and changing the way it looked (to represent a never before seen monster from another planet).

Perhaps something similar could be done for Chainmail and the dragon-influence.

I think I've seen a few rules for constructing things like classes and races. Perhaps there are templates out there that could be used to turn a horse into a ridable drake or a giant eagle into a flying drake. :?
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Re: Guard Drakes and Crested Felldrakes

Post by Icarus » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:53 pm

Woohoo!! One of my favorite threads!! Thank you for posting to it again, Big Mac!
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That was probably my fault. A halfling riding a small dinosaur looks very much like a halfling riding a drake. :oops:
Meh … topics drift, sometimes.
I don't think I've read Dinotopia, but raiding from that and converting from dinosaurs to drakes and dragonkin is a brilliant idea!
Well, technically, neither have I … I've simply read a great deal of the setting details because of admiring the art (as a professional artist and a fan), and talked to a lot of friends who're fans.
… you would also have cities where hordes of monsters from the Lower Planes are held back only by elven defences.
Well, I s'pose if one includes the sealed portals as part of "defences", I would absolutely agree. I'd feel poorly if we gave a reader the impression it was only the physical presence of guards who kept the Abyssal Hordes at bay.
… Maybe there would be races, similar to greyhound races. People might use some sort of drake to pull chariots or carts (even if they couldn't breed varieties that could be ridden).
Absolutely! I think in a culture based on cooperation with dragons and drakes, that would be almost inevitable. Certainly something like this may occur:
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If you didn't want to go down the route of dinosaur-sized drakes, maybe you could go the other way (and have cat-sized drakes or dog-sized drakes).
Well, there's already published drakes that range from cat/rat-sized (swarm/tiny) to T-Rex size (huge). I certainly imagine everything in between with each having its own place in society.
I would be very hesitant to try using draconians in the Sundered Empire …
I absolutely wouldn't do anything with Draconians, either. They're far too identifiable/unique to Dragonlance - it wouldn't feel Ravillan, at all.
There is also that thing with kobolds going from dog-like creatures to dragon-like creatures. …
I think if I used them, I wouldn't make them "kobolds", per se. I would perhaps use their stats, and make them another draconic race that filled a similar niche, possibly being akin to a halfling in human civilization, but, be a small draconic race that lives with or fights against the Ravillan elves. But, I absolutely wouldn't just make them kobolds.
… taking an existing monster and changing the way it looked ...
In regards to wyverns, I was thinking of how the Wizarding World of Harry Potter has a bunch of different "normal" breeds of dragons.
Perhaps there are templates out there that could be used to turn a horse into a ridable drake or a giant eagle into a flying drake. :?
There is, in fact, a "Draconic" template. … for 3rd edition D&D, at any rate.
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Re: Guard Drakes and Crested Felldrakes

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Icarus wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:53 pm
Big Mac wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
I don't think I've read Dinotopia, but raiding from that and converting from dinosaurs to drakes and dragonkin is a brilliant idea!
Well, technically, neither have I … I've simply read a great deal of the setting details because of admiring the art (as a professional artist and a fan), and talked to a lot of friends who're fans.
Maybe we need a proper Dinotopia topic somewhere. I'm not sure where. Maybe the Tabard Inn, as there doesn't seem to be a tabletop RPG for it...yet.

I'm no artist. (I'm one of the "I know what I like" brigade. ;) ) I do like to see cool-looking stuff. There are some artists with a distinctive style that carries across multiple pictures. That is kind of fun, even if I'm not massively interested in the subject matter, because you get a kind of story that you don't normally get unless you are reading comics.

I also like it when you have artists that can do different styles (as if they are channeling different people). A lot of 2nd and 3rd Edition art has it's own sort of shared personality. (There is a fairly consistent personality to many 2e illithids and many 3e illithids, for example. Although both are different from each other.)
Icarus wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:53 pm
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
… you would also have cities where hordes of monsters from the Lower Planes are held back only by elven defences.
Well, I s'pose if one includes the sealed portals as part of "defences", I would absolutely agree. I'd feel poorly if we gave a reader the impression it was only the physical presence of guards who kept the Abyssal Hordes at bay.
Oh sure. But it's like having a high security prison in the heart of a city (as opposed to putting a high security prison in the middle of nowhere to reduce the risk of escapees harming innocent people). The elven population must be part of the outer defence.

Maybe everyone has to do a few weeks of military service every year, like in Switzerland.
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Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:53 pm
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
… Maybe there would be races, similar to greyhound races. People might use some sort of drake to pull chariots or carts (even if they couldn't breed varieties that could be ridden).
Absolutely! I think in a culture based on cooperation with dragons and drakes, that would be almost inevitable. Certainly something like this may occur:
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Nice picture!
Icarus wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:53 pm
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
If you didn't want to go down the route of dinosaur-sized drakes, maybe you could go the other way (and have cat-sized drakes or dog-sized drakes).
Well, there's already published drakes that range from cat/rat-sized (swarm/tiny) to T-Rex size (huge). I certainly imagine everything in between with each having its own place in society.
:)
Icarus wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:53 pm
Big Mac wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
There is also that thing with kobolds going from dog-like creatures to dragon-like creatures. …
I think if I used them, I wouldn't make them "kobolds", per se. I would perhaps use their stats, and make them another draconic race that filled a similar niche, possibly being akin to a halfling in human civilization, but, be a small draconic race that lives with or fights against the Ravillan elves. But, I absolutely wouldn't just make them kobolds.
Halflings do not seem to do too much in Chainmail. The only example I found is in Ahmut's Legion.
Icarus wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:53 pm
Big Mac wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
… taking an existing monster and changing the way it looked ...
In regards to wyverns, I was thinking of how the Wizarding World of Harry Potter has a bunch of different "normal" breeds of dragons.
That could work.
Icarus wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:53 pm
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
Perhaps there are templates out there that could be used to turn a horse into a ridable drake or a giant eagle into a flying drake. :?
There is, in fact, a "Draconic" template. … for 3rd edition D&D, at any rate.
Luckily I'm still using 3rd Edition D&D. :)
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Re: Guard Drakes and Crested Felldrakes

Post by Icarus » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:59 pm

Big Mac wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:23 am
… it's like having a high security prison in the heart of a city (as opposed to putting a high security prison in the middle of nowhere to reduce the risk of escapees harming innocent people). The elven population must be part of the outer defence.

Maybe everyone has to do a few weeks of military service every year, like in Switzerland.
Or, like Israel!! I kind of like this theory. I hadn't ever thought of what it would be like to live in a city where there was a Supermax prison right in the middle of downtown, or whatever! That's an interesting comparison! I like that a lot!!
And, it really makes a lot of sense. I mean, I'm not looking it up at the moment, but, I don't know that it says anywhere that the prison is, like, "in the heart of the city", or "middle of the city", or anything … but, it certainly implies that the cities were built around the sealed Abyssa gates.
Big Mac wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
Halflings do not seem to do too much in Chainmail. The only example I found is in Ahmut's Legion.
Well, you're not wrong. There's the Halfling Sneak in Ahmut's Legion. … I wouldn't presume, necessarily, that means there aren't any in other factions in lore or RP, but, it certainly seems to imply there aren't a lot of them. You know the Logic adage, though, "Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence". Remember, they didn't make miniatures for every single thing.
Big Mac wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:23 am
Icarus wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:53 pm
Big Mac wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
Perhaps there are templates out there that could be used to turn a horse into a ridable drake or a giant eagle into a flying drake. :?
There is, in fact, a "Draconic" template. … for 3rd edition D&D, at any rate.
Luckily I'm still using 3rd Edition D&D. :)
Well, I believe there's a couple of options, really.
I believe the Draconic template first appeared in Dragon Magazine … but, then there were updated versions of it in the Draconomicon and in Dragon Magic. The latter was, apparently, the same as the former - but, it seems to add the "dragonblooded" subtype which was introduced in that book.
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Re: Guard Drakes and Crested Felldrakes

Post by Big Mac » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:37 pm

Icarus wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:59 pm
Big Mac wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:23 am
… it's like having a high security prison in the heart of a city (as opposed to putting a high security prison in the middle of nowhere to reduce the risk of escapees harming innocent people). The elven population must be part of the outer defence.

Maybe everyone has to do a few weeks of military service every year, like in Switzerland.
Or, like Israel!! I kind of like this theory. I hadn't ever thought of what it would be like to live in a city where there was a Supermax prison right in the middle of downtown, or whatever! That's an interesting comparison! I like that a lot!!
And, it really makes a lot of sense. I mean, I'm not looking it up at the moment, but, I don't know that it says anywhere that the prison is, like, "in the heart of the city", or "middle of the city", or anything … but, it certainly implies that the cities were built around the sealed Abyssa gates.
Have you seen the movie World War Z. That has a zombie attack on Jeruselum following the construction of giant fortifications around the city.

I'm not sure I would build up the cities of Ravilla to that extent, but we do know that the Grey Elves of Ravilla are not your normal High Elves that live in woodlands. They hail from mountaintop cities that they abandoned, when the moved to surround those Abyssal gates.

I would think that they would bring some of their architectural styles with them.

And I think that any fortifications would be to keep those who would wish to gain access to the Abyssal gates away from them.

If I ever attempt to draw a map of a Ravillan city, perhaps I'll do something like concentric walls, with the gates in each defensive ring not lining up with the gates in the wall inside and outside that ring. And things like Walmgate Bar (which is the least damaged of four barbican entrances through the old city walls at York) could be the sort of defence that wood elves and other allies walk in and out of every day.
Icarus wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:59 pm
Big Mac wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
Halflings do not seem to do too much in Chainmail. The only example I found is in Ahmut's Legion.
Well, you're not wrong. There's the Halfling Sneak in Ahmut's Legion. … I wouldn't presume, necessarily, that means there aren't any in other factions in lore or RP, but, it certainly seems to imply there aren't a lot of them. You know the Logic adage, though, "Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence". Remember, they didn't make miniatures for every single thing.
I've got a Where are the halflings? if you want to discuss halflings in the Sundered Empire. ;)
Icarus wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:59 pm
Big Mac wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:23 am
Icarus wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:53 pm
Big Mac wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:50 pm
Perhaps there are templates out there that could be used to turn a horse into a ridable drake or a giant eagle into a flying drake. :?
There is, in fact, a "Draconic" template. … for 3rd edition D&D, at any rate.
Luckily I'm still using 3rd Edition D&D. :)
Well, I believe there's a couple of options, really.
I believe the Draconic template first appeared in Dragon Magazine … but, then there were updated versions of it in the Draconomicon and in Dragon Magic. The latter was, apparently, the same as the former - but, it seems to add the "dragonblooded" subtype which was introduced in that book.
Thanks. I'll have to look that up and see what it might add around the Guard Drakes and Felldrakes.
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