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[Urth] Religion question

Post by nick_crenshaw82 » Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:17 am

Can I get a list of all fictional/fantasy religions that are based on real world religions and the campaign worlds they come from.

Examples include:

Vaticine Church, Objectionist Church, Church of Avalon, and Ussuran Orthodox (Catholicism, Protestant, Church of England, Eastern Orthodox) - 7th Sea
True Faith of the King of Life (Mormanism) - Dogs in the Vineyard
Maytanism (Hinduism) - Mindshadows
Ja'Ilam (Islam) - Endless Sands
Old Religion (pre-islamic Arabian faith) - Endless Sands
Nyambe Orisha (Yoruba traditions) - Nyambe: African Adventures
Eternal Truth (Islam?) - Mystara (Known World)
Maztica pantheon (Aztec pantheon) - Maztica
Crescent Empire faith (Islam?) - 7th Sea
Shintaoism (Shintoism?/Daoist?) - Legends of the 5 Rings
Golden Soul? (Confucianism\Daoism?/Buddhism?) - 7th Sea (Cathay)
Path of Enlightenment (Confucianism) - Kara-Tur
The Way (Daoism) - Kara-Tur
The Eight Million Gods (Shintoism) - Kara-Tur
Padhra (Buddha?) - Kara-Tur
Zakharan pantheon (?) - Al-Qadim

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by timemrick » Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:09 am

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by Big Mac » Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:15 pm

The Mulhorandi Pantheon (from Forgotten Realms) is pretty much a rebooted Egyptian Pantheon.
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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by willpell » Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:38 pm

Big Mac wrote:The Mulhorandi Pantheon (from Forgotten Realms) is pretty much a rebooted Egyptian Pantheon.
Rebooted in what sense? How are they different?

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by ripvanwormer » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:24 am

The main differences between the Mulhorandi pantheon and the Egyptian pantheon as detailed elsewhere in 2nd edition/Planescape (never mind the historical Egyptian faiths, since they varied by region and era) is that Ra is dead and Bast has merged with the elven goddess Zandilar to become Sharess.

Ptah is the most prominent Egyptian deity to never become worshiped on Toril.

The Mulhorandi pantheon was "rebooted" in a sense that the ancient Imaskari, when they imported slaves from Egypt (or a similar nation on an unknown world), erected a barrier that prevented the gods of their slaves from interfering to aid their people. Because of this, the Egyptian gods, with the aid of Ptah, created a magical vessel that transported greater avatars known as manifestations through the Phlogiston and Wildspace to Toril, avoiding the planar barrier. With the aid of the Sumerian/Babylonian deities they caused the destruction of the Imaskari Empire and the creation of the Raurin Desert in its place. On Toril, their mortal incarnations ruled Mulhorand for centuries, though the manifestation of Ra was killed by Gruumsh during the Orcgate Wars, banishing him from Realmspace, forcing him to pass his power down to the manifestation of Horus.

Mask is also worshiped in Mulhorand, though he's not exactly part of the pantheon there.

The 3rd edition Pharaonic pantheon from Deities & Demigods is more like the Mulhorandi pantheon than the 2nd edition Egyptian pantheon was (3e also has Ra and Horus merged into a single deity, and includes Sobek and Hathor). The main difference is that Toril's Set is lawful evil while the generic 3e Set is chaotic evil.

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by nick_crenshaw82 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:53 am

Because both the Mulhorandi and Khemtian Pantheon from (Egyptian Adventures: Hamunaptra) use the same names as the Egyptian Pantheon they're not quite what I'm looking for. I'm trying to recreate Earth (as Urth) with semi-fictional geography, history, and religion.

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by ripvanwormer » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:43 pm

You might use the Nithian pantheon from Mystara in place of the Egyptian pantheon, then. This pantheon included Horon, Ptahr, Pflarr, Ranivorus, Rathanos, Thanatos, and Isiris. Other Immortals mentioned as possibly involved with Nithia include Orisis (who might be the same as Horon, since they're both described as hawk-headed, although Horon is patron of the sun and Orisis is patron of death and resurrection), the Zephyr, and the Old Man of the Sea. The latter two might not have been worshiped, though they were part of the tribunal that passed a death sentence on the Nithian Empire. Horon might correspond to Ixion in his role as creator/defender, like the Sindhi Ayazi and Himayeti, while Orisis corresponds to Aksyri, Ixion's destruction/rebirth aspect.

Mystara also has the pantheon of the Milenian Empire, which is sort of classical Greek/Roman: Halav, Matera, Petra, Protius, Zargos, Asterius, Faunus, Ixion, Khoronus, Koryis, Palartarkan, Tarastia, the Twelve Watchers, Valerias, and Zirchev.

The Azcan pantheon (Aztec/Mystara): Otzitiotl, Atzanteotl, the Four Hundred Rabbits, Kalaktatla, Atruatzin

The Sindhi pantheon (Hindu/Mystara): Ayazi (the creator), Himayeti (the defender), Aksyri (the destroyer, but also rebirth), Kala the Black One (death and chaos). See also Samdu from HWA3.

The Atruaghin pantheon (native North American/Mystara):
Atruaghin—Atruaghin Clans, diplomacy, protection, knowledge, wisdom and temperance, combat evil
Tahkati Stormtamer—Clan of the Horse, horses and cavalry, combat, revenge, fierceness
Hattani Stoneclaw—Clan of the Bear, protect Atruaghin and the Children of Atruaghin, dedication, loyalty, battle
Mahmatti Running Elk—Clan of the Elk, protect the Children of Atruaghin, wisdom, nature, magic
Ahmanni Turtle–rider—Clan of the Turtle, sea, family, sacrifice, beauty
Atzanteotl—Corruption (physical and moral), deceit, betrayal, destruction, humanoids
Danel Tigerstripes—Clan of the Tiger, suffering, pain, vengeance

The Ethengar pantheon (Mongol/Mystara): Yamuga, Tubak, Cretia

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by nick_crenshaw82 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:10 am

ripvanwormer wrote:You might use the Nithian pantheon from Mystara in place of the Egyptian pantheon, then. This pantheon included Horon, Ptahr, Pflarr, Ranivorus, Rathanos, Thanatos, and Isiris. Other Immortals mentioned as possibly involved with Nithia include Orisis (who might be the same as Horon, since they're both described as hawk-headed, although Horon is patron of the sun and Orisis is patron of death and resurrection), the Zephyr, and the Old Man of the Sea. The latter two might not have been worshiped, though they were part of the tribunal that passed a death sentence on the Nithian Empire. Horon might correspond to Ixion in his role as creator/defender, like the Sindhi Ayazi and Himayeti, while Orisis corresponds to Aksyri, Ixion's destruction/rebirth aspect.

Mystara also has the pantheon of the Milenian Empire, which is sort of classical Greek/Roman: Halav, Matera, Petra, Protius, Zargos, Asterius, Faunus, Ixion, Khoronus, Koryis, Palartarkan, Tarastia, the Twelve Watchers, Valerias, and Zirchev.

The Azcan pantheon (Aztec/Mystara): Otzitiotl, Atzanteotl, the Four Hundred Rabbits, Kalaktatla, Atruatzin

The Sindhi pantheon (Hindu/Mystara): Ayazi (the creator), Himayeti (the defender), Aksyri (the destroyer, but also rebirth), Kala the Black One (death and chaos). See also Samdu from HWA3.

The Atruaghin pantheon (native North American/Mystara):
Atruaghin—Atruaghin Clans, diplomacy, protection, knowledge, wisdom and temperance, combat evil
Tahkati Stormtamer—Clan of the Horse, horses and cavalry, combat, revenge, fierceness
Hattani Stoneclaw—Clan of the Bear, protect Atruaghin and the Children of Atruaghin, dedication, loyalty, battle
Mahmatti Running Elk—Clan of the Elk, protect the Children of Atruaghin, wisdom, nature, magic
Ahmanni Turtle–rider—Clan of the Turtle, sea, family, sacrifice, beauty
Atzanteotl—Corruption (physical and moral), deceit, betrayal, destruction, humanoids
Danel Tigerstripes—Clan of the Tiger, suffering, pain, vengeance

The Ethengar pantheon (Mongol/Mystara): Yamuga, Tubak, Cretia
Do the individual Immortals in the above have any real world equivalents?

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by ripvanwormer » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:56 am

Do the individual Immortals in the above have any real world equivalents?
Horon=Horus
Ptahr=Ptah
Pflarr=Anubis
Rathanos=Ra
Isiris=Isis
Orisis=Osiris

Faunus=Faunus
Khoronus=Chronos
Valerias=Venus

Otzitiotl=Tonatiuh
Atzanteotl=Tezcatlipoca/Huitzilopochtli
Four Hundred Rabbits: Various minor Aztec gods
Kalatatla=no equivalent
Atruatzin=Quetzalcoatl

Ayazi=Brahma
Himayeti=Vishnu
Aksyri=Shiva
Kala=Kali

Atruaghin=Great Spirit
Tahkati Stormtamer=Qagwaaz or Hastseltsi
Hattani Stoneclaw=Stoneribs or Tobadzistsini
Mahmatti Running Elk=Hiawatha or Yanauluha
Atzanteotl=Tezcatlipoca
Danel Tigerstripes=Huitzilopochtli

Yamuga=Umay
Tubak=Tengri
Cretia=Erlik

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by nick_crenshaw82 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:38 am

ripvanwormer wrote:
Do the individual Immortals in the above have any real world equivalents?
Horon=Horus
Ptahr=Ptah
Pflarr=Anubis
Rathanos=Ra
Isiris=Isis
Orisis=Osiris

Faunus=Faunus
Khoronus=Chronos
Valerias=Venus

Otzitiotl=Tonatiuh
Atzanteotl=Tezcatlipoca/Huitzilopochtli
Four Hundred Rabbits: Various minor Aztec gods
Kalatatla=no equivalent
Atruatzin=Quetzalcoatl

Ayazi=Brahma
Himayeti=Vishnu
Aksyri=Shiva
Kala=Kali

Atruaghin=Great Spirit
Tahkati Stormtamer=Qagwaaz or Hastseltsi
Hattani Stoneclaw=Stoneribs or Tobadzistsini
Mahmatti Running Elk=Hiawatha or Yanauluha
Atzanteotl=Tezcatlipoca
Danel Tigerstripes=Huitzilopochtli

Yamuga=Umay
Tubak=Tengri
Cretia=Erlik
Do any of them have 3rd or 3.5 rules for them (i.e. cleric alignments, domains, and favored weapons)?

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by ripvanwormer » Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:49 am

nick_crenshaw82 wrote:Do any of them have 3rd or 3.5 rules for them (i.e. cleric alignments, domains, and favored weapons)?
In the fan-created Codex Immortalis, yes.

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by ripvanwormer » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:11 pm

Gods of Bathura (Greek pantheon) - Parsantium
Amur, the Sky God (Allah) - Parsantium

Parsantium also has gods from the Hindu and Chinese pantheons, but it uses real world names for those.

Clerical domains, favored weapons and so on comply with the Pathfinder RPG.

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Post by ripvanwormer » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:10 am

Thyr (the Norse god Tyr)—Necromancer Games, The Tomb of Abysthor, Shades of Gray, Gods and Demons PDF
Arden (the Egyptian god Ra)—Necromancer Games, Shades of Gray, Demons and Devils, Gods and Demons PDF
Anumon (Allah)—Necromancer Games, City of Brass

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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by willpell » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:12 pm

ripvanwormer wrote:Ptah is the most prominent Egyptian deity to never become worshiped on Toril.
Ptah's entry in Deities and Demigods never quite made sense to me. IIRC, Ptah was one of several alternate (and mutually irreconcilable) creator-deities from various Egyptian myths, so forcing him into the same pantheon as Re-Horakhty, but bumping him down to like a divine rank of 11, makes no real sense. Were I writing that book, I'd probably have made Ptah a rank 21 overgod, the equivalent of Ao in Forgotten Realms - he's Ra's boss, but is too remote and inaccessible for humans to have any contact with, so Ra is functionally in charge as far as humans are concerned.

(Now I want to see Gods of Egypt again...)
(3e also has Ra and Horus merged into a single deity).
Which is by no means unreasonable.
The main difference is that Toril's Set is lawful evil while the generic 3e Set is chaotic evil.
Chaotic evil is a better concept for Set in general, at least unless you want to contrast him with Apep.

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Post by Ashtagon » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:02 am

Are you looking for something more or less "real" than Gary gygax's Aerth setting? Are you looking specifically for analogues to modern religions, or to ancient faiths?
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Re: [Urth] Religion question

Post by nick_crenshaw82 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:18 am

Ashtagon wrote:Are you looking for something more or less "real" than Gary gygax's Aerth setting?
Sorta, but my original idea started with 7th Sea' s Theah and some how incorporating Kara-Tur into 7th Sea's Cathay (but with a better name and map), Zakhara into 7th Sea's Crescent Empire and several other similar kingdoms/continents.
Ashtagon wrote:Are you looking specifically for analogues to modern religions, or to ancient faiths?
Originally semi-modern religions (i.e. mid to 17th Century), but now I'm looking for analogues for all religions.

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