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Postby Havard » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:11 pm


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Re: Last Jedi Trailer

Postby ripvanwormer » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:18 pm

You might want to avoid this trailer if you want to see the movie completely unspoiled!
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer

Postby Corsair14 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:57 pm

I liked the trailer. Kylo seems to have grown a bit and doesn't appear as annoying looking or acting as he did in the first one. Wont be a fan of him until he proves himself not to be a whiney annoying boy in a dumb mask like he was in TFA. Really hoping we aren't going to have Empire Strikes back part 2. That was my biggest beef with TFA was that it was A New Hope all over again with different special effects and lacking real space battles which to me is a very important part of Star Wars. This one appears to have a decent looking space battle with fighters and capital ships, but at the same time it appears to have AT-ATs vs Speeders as the Empire is trying to destroy a base. Hmmmm. They really try and push the whole Kylo is trying to blow up Fisher's ship in the trailer or at least the bridge so we will see. Rogue One set a pretty high bar to beat and based off TFA I don't expect it to be beaten. Got tickets for Thursday night though :)
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer

Postby Saunatonttu » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:55 pm

There's too much to take in, and the trailer seems to be throwing a lot of Red Herrings around. The "narrative" it gives us will no doubt prove to be mostly false, but it's also a bit hard to try to take the intercut bits and pieces and thrown around parts of dialogue without any context, but anyway. Visually it is in the Good Star Wars realm, and the promise of Big Space Battle and the Big Land Battle are cool. As is Rey training:

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Anyway, going on Wednesday to the local indie theater with soul and then again on Sunday to one of the bigchain multiplex horrors with ginormous screens :)
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Corsair14 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:02 pm

Ok, it comes out next week. Anyone else having thoughts that the trailer makes it look just like Empire Strikes back?
We have massive land battle involving skimmers and AT-ATs. Check
Group splits up and one team goes to a resort city. Check
The other main member goes to an old hermit jedi for training. Check
We find out the young jedi's parentage. check

So who is going to get captured so they can rescue them in the next movie?
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby night_druid » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:41 pm

The person who gets "captured" will be Finn (scene of Finn in uniform in a line of troopers). The only real "mystery" is who is Rey's father. My guess? The father is irrelevant. Its going to be revealed that Captain Phasma is her mother. And the collective outrage will be epic to watch.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby shesheyan » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:04 pm

night_druid wrote:The person who gets "captured" will be Finn (scene of Finn in uniform in a line of troopers). The only real "mystery" is who is Rey's father. My guess? The father is irrelevant. Its going to be revealed that Captain Phasma is her mother. And the collective outrage will be epic to watch.


THIS! I want this to happen! ;)
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby night_druid » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:16 pm

Personally, I want Sideous to be the father...Rey is a clone of Sideous. Who turns to the dark side after offing Leia, Luke, and Chewbacca. And then some plucky pilot takes out Death Star 4 with a lucky shot, killing the remainder of the cast. ;)
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Saunatonttu » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:50 pm

I added a friday screening to my list, cause one mate comes back from the states in a way he will miss the wed one.

Wed/Fri/Sun, then probably once more with work the next week.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Corsair14 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:25 pm

Calling it now, prediction that Rey is Kylo-Hipster's sister and Han Leia and luke conspired to get her out of the attention of Snoke thus her ending up on Jakku. She will end up killing Luke when he expects her help instead and sides with Kylo. Finn is captured I guess ending the movie. Next movie Kylo finds he loves his sister, they either both return to the light side or just he does after freeing Finn and he goes on to lead the Resistance to win against the 1st order in a dramatic sword fight where they both die.

The galaxy is at peace for all of 10 seconds because peace when dealing with intelligent creatures and limited resources is an impossibility and the weird S&M aliens from outside the galaxy arrive in organic ships and try to take over starting the next trilogy free of the Skywalkers.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Big Mac » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:24 pm

Corsair14 wrote:Calling it now, prediction that Rey is Kylo-Hipster's sister and Han Leia and luke conspired to get her out of the attention of Snoke thus her ending up on Jakku.


Interesting theory, but I don't see how both Han and Leia could meet Rey and not give away the fact that she was their daughter. It doesn't quite feel right to me.

I do agree that she might kill Luke. We know that Mark Hamill complained about the script. Ren killing Luke could trick Kylo-Ren and Snope into thinking she has turned to the Dark Side and allow her to get close to them and kill them.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby shesheyan » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:51 pm

So I had no intention of seeing this movie at the theater since I hated episode VII so much. But my wife played a Jedi mind trick on me and bought tickets on the internet. I had no choice to go this afternoon. I'm glad I did. It was much better than episode VII. Would put it in fourth place after the original series (4-6).
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Ashtagon » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:03 am

I am pleased to observe that withg this latest incarnation of Kylo Ren, Disney has lost one of its princesses.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Saunatonttu » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:41 am

It was good, and could have been great. But the whole Finn sidequest was only not necessary, but reminded of the worst excesses in meaningless CGI and gaggy creatures/characters Lucas put into episodes I-III - so that brings it down a bit. When it was good, it was excellent, but the bad part lessens the overall. At the end, weakest of the Disney ones as a movie, but most important as a Star Wars - and it's nice to see they put some effort into the characterwork of Rey/Luke/Kylo storyline. Anyway, while it could have been #2 after Empire, now it ranks just slightly higher than Return of the Jedi:

1) Empire 2) Rogue One 3) Force Awakens 4) Star Wars 5) Last Jedi 6) Return of the Jedi
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Havard » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:45 pm

I liked it even better on the second viewing last night! :)

My rating:
1) Return of the Jedi
2) Empire Strikes Back
3) Star Wars
4) The Force Awakens
5) The Last Jedi
6) Rogue One

To be honest, I find rating these incredibly difficult and I consider myself a fan of them all. :)

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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby shesheyan » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:19 pm

I don't see the Finn side quest was unnecessary. I saw it as a cautionary tale that not all plans will work. In fact, had it worked I would have been disappointed. The casino sequence was a sociale commentary on the cynical ruling class who cares only about profit and their amusement. Slavery of children. As a movie targeting a young audience its good that they are exposed to this, however briefly.

My ranking :
- Empire
- New Hope
- Return
- Last Jedi
- Episodes 2 & 3
- Rogue One
- Episode 1
- Force Awakens.

I liked the fury balls in Return. It was good to see the Empire get their butts kicked with prehistoric weapons. I do enjoy good pulp action sequences. But even if you didn't like them I believe Return should remain in the top 3 because of the dramatic tension between Vader and Luke. Last Jedi almost pulled it off but not quite so I can't put it in front of Return. ;)

While I admit Rogue One was a good war movie, for some reason I never got pulled into the story. I watched it, liked it, but remained a spectator. I watched it a second time at home and the same thing happened. Its simply not a « Star Wars » movie. Its a WWII pacific theater movie.

Imho, Force Awakens was sub-par on all counts except the return the shooting in real settings and using CGI only when necessary. The story was just a sad uninspired copy/paste of New Hope. They didn't have to do the Death Star thing a third time. Any other idea would have been better. At least episode 2 & 3 offered new setting material underneath the CGI layers. Context of the war and many details about the clone war, the demise of the Republic, the fall of the Jedi and the rise of Vader and Palpatine.

My two cents on the Star Wars movies. ;)
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Saunatonttu » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:09 pm

I don't see the Finn side quest was unnecessary. I saw it as a cautionary tale that not all plans will work. In fact, had it worked I would have been disappointed. The casino sequence was a sociale commentary on the cynical ruling class who cares only about profit and their amusement. Slavery of children. As a movie targeting a young audience its good that they are exposed to this, however briefly.


Right, I need to rephrase the "unnecessary" (and I usually dig stuff that breaks away from the "rules of scriptwriting", including sideplots that seem to go nowhere and/or are dropped/unresolved).

What we got with Finn's sidequest was an timewaster of a CGI/FX shots, especially the whole "space horse" chase scene which is in competition for the most useless scene in the whole of Star Wars with the Pod Race. The idea was probably sound, but the execution - the chase, the "humorous" bit characters in the casino, etc. etc. was not. It was like they did not know how to execute the idea in the context of Star Wars film and just randomly threw in "action scene!" and "comedy!" to make it work....

What you took away was "what they tried to say", what I took away was a sequence of bafflingly bad (enough to fit into episodes I-III) scenes. It just didn't work on film whatsoever. But when we return to the kids of the casino planet at the end, that works. It felt like a piece of the film that was actually supposed to be there.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby shesheyan » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:41 pm

Saunatonttu wrote:hat we got with Finn's sidequest was an timewaster of a CGI/FX shots, especially the whole "space horse" chase scene which is in competition for the most useless scene in the whole of Star Wars with the Pod Race. The idea was probably sound, but the execution - the chase, the "humorous" bit characters in the casino, etc. etc. was not. It was like they did not know how to execute the idea in the context of Star Wars film and just randomly threw in "action scene!" and "comedy!" to make it work.... What you took away was "what they tried to say", what I took away was a sequence of bafflingly bad (enough to fit into episodes I-III) scenes. It just didn't work on film whatsoever. But when we return to the kids of the casino planet at the end, that works. It felt like a piece of the film that was actually supposed to be there.


Yep. Some comedy scenes work for some spectators while they don't work for others. The casino sequence was the Cantina of that movie. The strange alien horses didn't bother me. Animal / child cruelty was the theme here. The escape/chase sequence was rather short and to the point. It didn't eat up 20 minutes like the Pod Race video game promotion in Episode I. The last scene works well because of the prior scene in the stables with the alien horses and the children who have to live with them.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Saunatonttu » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:33 pm

Yeah, different strokes and whatnot...

I wouldn't call it the Cantina of the film. It more compares to latter day Lucas trying to fill a scene with critters. He never recaptured what they did with the original Cantina (not truly even with Jabba's Palace, untouched version) and they didn't recapture it here. But yeah, as with nearly everything to do with this sequence, it's poor execution that is at fault.

The last scene works well because of the prior scene in the stables with the alien horses and the children who have to live with them.


I think the last scene works despite its planting being very shoddy, not because of the planting. It's just a well crafted scene on its own. Though the kids themselves were the better part of the whole casino sequence.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Havard » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:27 pm

I agree with Sauna that the Finn/Rose storyline was one of the weaker elements of the movie, but it bothered me less on the second viewing. I think the main point of this storyline is seeing Finn grow and end up deciding to fully embrace his destiny as a rebel. On the other hand, I do think the sequence could have been shortened. I am also disappointed that it did not really lead anywhere. I fact, both Finn and Poe are rather useless in the movie. They do end up as wiser and more experienced at the end of the movie though and I do expect them to do some more serious ass kicking in Episode IX.

Luke, Rey and Leia are clearly the show stealers of The Last Jedi.

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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby RobJN » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:31 pm

Havard wrote: both Finn and Poe are rather useless in the movie. They do end up as wiser and more experienced at the end of the movie though and I do expect them to do some more serious ass kicking in Episode IX.


Haven't seen TLJ yet -- probably won't for a while -- but this saddens me. Poe/Finn and then Finn/Rey interactions were some of the best parts of VII (I really wish they'd concentrated more of the story on those relationships rather than keep pushing the Original Trilogy cast on us).
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby shesheyan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:51 am

Havard wrote:I agree with Sauna that the Finn/Rose storyline was one of the weaker elements of the movie, but it bothered me less on the second viewing. I think the main point of this storyline is seeing Finn grow and end up deciding to fully embrace his destiny as a rebel. On the other hand, I do think the sequence could have been shortened. I am also disappointed that it did not really lead anywhere. I fact, both Finn and Poe are rather useless in the movie. They do end up as wiser and more experienced at the end of the movie though and I do expect them to do some more serious ass kicking in Episode IX.

Luke, Rey and Leia are clearly the show stealers of The Last Jedi.

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When all the characters succeed at everything they do every time its called «Hail Mary narration» and that is very boring. Finn and Poe weren't useless they just didn't succeed or made terrible mistakes. It makes them more believable in long run. But as you say they are now wiser and more experienced. Maybe Finn will finally trying to run away and accept his role as a rebel scum. ;)

I would say the Kylo-Luke-Rey trio is the show stealer of the movie. The narration revolves around them. Leia doesn't do much. She is a tertiary character in this movie.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby ripvanwormer » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:07 am

Learning from and growing past mistakes is the main theme of the movie. Every character in the film makes some kind of mistake (for Leia and Laura Dern's character, it's trusting Poe not to mutiny/not communicating with Poe). Yoda tells Luke that being a teacher is as much about failure as wisdom. It bothered me a bit at first that Rose's and Finn's plan didn't end up succeeding, but that was the point. If their plan had worked, they would have been the only characters in the film who didn't have some error they needed to accept and move past.

This was largely true in The Empire Strikes Back, too, although in The Last Jedi the villains are as error prone as the heroes.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby ripvanwormer » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:57 am

One thing I really like was the reinterpretation of Obi-Wan's "If you strike me down I will grow more powerful than you could possibly imagine" line as "If you strike me down in anger, I'll be with you forever, just like your father." Obi-wan never seemed like he had grown in power after his death, but the idea that his Force ghost was haunting Darth Vader from then on makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Last Jedi Trailer (spoilers)

Postby Big Mac » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:01 pm

I actually don't think the trailer is representative of the movie.
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