Maiar

[Havard]

The Maiar (the singular of which is Maia) were nearly-primordial spirits that descended into Arda to help the Valar first shape the World. They were supposed to be numerous, yet not many were named. Their chiefs were Eönwë, banner-bearer and herald of Manwë, and Ilmarë, the handmaid of Varda.[1]
Of these spirits, in the Third Age, were the incarnated Wizards.

Source: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Maiar

Have you ever used Maiar in your games? I guess more would be available if your campaign is set in the second or first age.

I used to think that Balrogs were related to the Maiar somehow, but I guess that is not the case?

What are some pit falls to avoid if using Wizards or other Maiar in a game?

-Havard

[Boneguard]

Depending on the time in which I play Gandalf, Saruman or the Necromancer/Sauron have been used but in a subtle fashion, to give cryptic clues or as a hidden antagonist directing the enemy forces rather the confronting them one on one.

[JamesMishler]

Balrogs are fallen Maiar of lesser sort; they turned from the rest of the Valar to follow Morgoth.

Sauron was a Maia of greater sort, who had been trained under the Vala Aule, the maker of the dwarves; in his greed he turned to the ways of Morgoth. It is said by some that in Valinor before time, Sauron and Gandalf had been friends in their disembodied forms... bringing even greater tragedy to their emnity in Middle Earth.

Thus, Maiar are lesser angels and Balrogs are demons, of a sort...

[ripvanwormer]

Valaquenta, Of the Enemies:

Last of all is set the name of Melkor, He who arises in Might... From splendour he fell through arrogance to contempt of all things save himself, a spirit wasteful and pitiless... He began with the desire of Light, but when he could not possess it for himself alone, he descended through fire and wrath into a great burning, down into Darkness. And darkness he used most in his evil works upon Arda, and filled it with fear for all living things.

Yet so great was the power of his uprising that in ages forgotten he contended with Manwe and all of the Valar, and through long years in Arda held dominion over most of the lands of the Earth. But he was not alone. For of the Maiar many were drawn to his splendour in the days of his greatness, and remained in that allegiance down to his darkness; and others he corrupted afterwards to his service with lies and treacherous gifts. Dreadful among these spirits were the Valaraukar, the scourges of fire that in Middle-earth were called the Balrogs, demons of terror.

Among those of his servants that have names the greatest was that spirit whom the Eldar called Sauron, or Gorthaur the Cruel. In his beginning he was of the Maiar of Aule, and he remained mighty in the lore of that people.

Quenta Silmarillion, chapter 1:

And Melkor knew of all that was done, for even then he had secret friends and spies among the Maiar whom he had converted to his cause;

Quenta Silmarillion, chapter 3:

But in the north Melkor built his strength, and slept not, but watched, and laboured; and the evil things that he had perverted walked abroad, and the dark and slumbering woods were haunted by monsters and shapes of dread. And in Untumno he gathered his demons about him, those spirits who first adhered to him in the days of his splendour, and became most like him in his corruption: their hearts were of fire, but they were cloaked in darkness, and terror went before them; they had whips of flame. Balrogs they were named in Middle-earth in later days.

[Big Mac]

If it comes from the Silmarillion, that explains why I've not heard of it.

[Havard]

If it comes from the Silmarillion, that explains why I've not heard of it.

Indeed, the Silmarillion explains a lot of stuff. The Maiar is basically another name for what the Lord of the Rings refers to as Wizards, although as James explained, Balrogs were also once of that race.

For various reasons, I always assumed that the fact that Gandalf was a Maiar was why he was allowed to return as Gandalf the White after his battle. Does this mean that Balrogs are also able to return from the dead?

-Havard

[JamesMishler]

If it comes from the Silmarillion, that explains why I've not heard of it.

Indeed, the Silmarillion explains a lot of stuff. The Maiar is basically another name for what the Lord of the Rings refers to as Wizards, although as James explained, Balrogs were also once of that race.

For various reasons, I always assumed that the fact that Gandalf was a Maiar was why he was allowed to return as Gandalf the White after his battle. Does this mean that Balrogs are also able to return from the dead?

-Havard

The Istari were merely five Maiar chosen to take on a physical mortal form in Middle-earth to fight against Sauron; there were many, many Maiar. The Istari or "Wizards" were supposed to educate, inspire, and rally the mortal races, not actually get physically involved in any great way, for the Valar were not allowed to interfere directly in Middle-earth after the Second Age. Saruman the White fell from grace when he turned to Sauron and became the Wizard of Many Colors; that is why when Gandalf died, he was returned as Gandalf the White (with Saruman's forsaken position and power), and when Saruman died, he was lost forever. There is no record of the end of Radagast or of the two Blue Wizards who went into the East.

Similarly, the Balrogs would not return from the dead; that was at the will of the Valar, and Saruman and the remaining balrogs had cast their lot with Middle-earth, or rather the conquest of it, and thus when they died they became, at best, ineffective disembodied spirits, if they did not fade out beyond the Outer Dark, where Morgoth was cast at the end of the First Age.

Interestingly, Tolkien briefly considered a sequel to the Lord of the Rings that involved the return of Morgoth from beyond the Veil of Night... though nothing ever came of it. However, it was a central factor in my Fourth Age campaign that never got anywhere...

[Big Mac]

If it comes from the Silmarillion, that explains why I've not heard of it.

Indeed, the Silmarillion explains a lot of stuff. The Maiar is basically another name for what the Lord of the Rings refers to as Wizards, although as James explained, Balrogs were also once of that race.

For various reasons, I always assumed that the fact that Gandalf was a Maiar was why he was allowed to return as Gandalf the White after his battle. Does this mean that Balrogs are also able to return from the dead?

-Havard

The Istari were merely five Maiar chosen to take on a physical mortal form in Middle-earth to fight against Sauron; there were many, many Maiar. The Istari or "Wizards" were supposed to educate, inspire, and rally the mortal races, not actually get physically involved in any great way, for the Valar were not allowed to interfere directly in Middle-earth after the Second Age. Saruman the White fell from grace when he turned to Sauron and became the Wizard of Many Colors; that is why when Gandalf died, he was returned as Gandalf the White (with Saruman's forsaken position and power), and when Saruman died, he was lost forever. There is no record of the end of Radagast or of the two Blue Wizards who went into the East.

Similarly, the Balrogs would not return from the dead; that was at the will of the Valar, and Saruman and the remaining balrogs had cast their lot with Middle-earth, or rather the conquest of it, and thus when they died they became, at best, ineffective disembodied spirits, if they did not fade out beyond the Outer Dark, where Morgoth was cast at the end of the First Age.

Interestingly, Tolkien briefly considered a sequel to the Lord of the Rings that involved the return of Morgoth from beyond the Veil of Night... though nothing ever came of it. However, it was a central factor in my Fourth Age campaign that never got anywhere...

It sounds like the Maiar wouldn't be accessible after that time. I guess that might knock out the idea of having wizards or magical creatures, like the balrogs. I'm kind of wondering how the Forth Age would work.

I looked up Morgoth on The One Wiki and got redirected to an article called Melkor. It suggested that was Morgoth's original name and that Melkor had existed since the start of creation. It also suggested that Melkor/Morgoth was an Ainur. And the Ainur article says that Ainur were "beings encompassing both the Valar and the Maiar". So, I'm wondering what the end of the Valar would mean for Ainur. This isn't really something I've noticed about The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. And I'm not sure how I'd use this sort of thing in a tabletop game.

[JamesMishler]

Essentially, the Valar and Maiar (together known as the Ainur) were the Angels, and Eru was God.

Melkor was the mightiest of the Valar during the time before time, when the Valar and Maiar sang the Song that brought the World into being. At first, Melkor went along with the melodies produced by the group, but then he brokw away on his own, with his own melody. Most of the other Ainur kept to the Song, and some sang a counter-melody against Melkor's, while others went along with him.

Then, after the Song, Eru waved his hand and brought the World into being, based on the melodies of the Song. Most (but not all) of the Ainur went into the world, but then found it only in its basic form; it was brought into being as the Song had began, wnd then each of the Ainur had his or her place to play in making the Song reality.

And so Melkor broke away from the others, and much like Loki in the Norse myths, at first seemed friendly, sometimes not. Finally, in the end, after he brought about the fall of the Lamps and the Trees, he retreated from the West and made the entirety of Middle-earth his realm. When the Elves awoke far in the East, and then began their march to Valinor in the West, Melkor and his followers harried them and captured and slew them, and thus he was known as The Enemy, and the Elves named him Morgoth ("Power of Darkness"). So Melkor and Morgoth are one and the same.

At the end of the First Age Melkor/Morgoth was taken prisoner by the Valar and cast outside of the World; not into the ethereal heavens of Eru, but into Outer Darkness. Sauron and some Balrogs remained.

At the end of the Second Age the Valar removed Valinor from the mortal world; whether the world had been flat and this made it into a sphere, or it was a sphere and it was somehow merely made smaller is not known. But only the Elves and the Isstari know the Straight Path to Valinor, and only those who are granted the grace of the Valar may make the trip. All the Ring-Bearers did... Bilbo, Frodo, and even Sam, in the end, and Gimli was allowed to go into the West (the only dwarf in all of history to do so), with his BFF, Legolas, once they had tired of life...

[Khedrac]

Essentially, the Valar and Maiar (together known as the Ainur)

One additional clarification: if my memory serves me the Valar and Maiar where those of the Ainur who entered into the world the great music had created. Those who remained behind/outside are technically still just "ainur" but are not active in thw world (probably).

[Big Mac]

Essentially, the Valar and Maiar (together known as the Ainur) were the Angels, and Eru was God.

So in D&D terms, would they be most similar aasimar or chosen or aspects, in power level?

[Havard]

Essentially, the Valar and Maiar (together known as the Ainur) were the Angels, and Eru was God.

So in D&D terms, would they be most similar aasimar or chosen or aspects, in power level?

I would say Valar are equivalent of D&D Gods/Deities (Lesser, Intermediate or Greater) while Maiar would be considered demigods. Eru is beyond the scope of a D&D game.

-Havard

[Big Mac]

Essentially, the Valar and Maiar (together known as the Ainur) were the Angels, and Eru was God.

So in D&D terms, would they be most similar aasimar or chosen or aspects, in power level?

I would say Valar are equivalent of D&D Gods/Deities (Lesser, Intermediate or Greater) while Maiar would be considered demigods. Eru is beyond the scope of a D&D game.

Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms both have a concept called an Overgod (The High God for Krynn and Ao for Forgotten Realms). Overgods are able to promote deities and also remove their power. They never seem deal directly with mortals (unless they are bumping one up to god level). (The High God seems to have slinked off, but Ao still hangs around periodically tinkering with the deities in Realmspace.)

[JamesMishler]

Essentially, the Valar and Maiar (together known as the Ainur) were the Angels, and Eru was God.

So in D&D terms, would they be most similar aasimar or chosen or aspects, in power level?

I would say Valar are equivalent of D&D Gods/Deities (Lesser, Intermediate or Greater) while Maiar would be considered demigods. Eru is beyond the scope of a D&D game.

-Havard

Bingo. That's how I'd do it, with as Big Mac mentions, Eru as the Overgod of the Middle-earth plane (Ardasphere in Spelljammer terms).

Note however, that unlike other realms, the Elves and the Dunedain know of and directly revere Eru, and the Valar and Maiar do not accept worship.

This means, in D&D terms, that there are no true clerics in the Ardasphere, if you go by Tolkien's ways in this, and thus there are at best anti-clerics of Morgoth (and later Sauron) known as "sorcerers," and perhaps magic-users, trained by the Council (Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, etc.).

The old MERP RPG handled this by there being the trained magicians and also "animists," who revered the Valar and Maiar but gained their power through the loyal spirits of the world itself, rather than directly from the powers as a D&D cleric would (so Elrond, IIRC, was the equivalent of a cleric, as he had animist levels rather than magician levels).

I am not sure how this is all divvied up with the new 5E RPG from Cubicle 7. One of these days I'll get around to buying it, as I've heard good things about it...

[Big Mac]

Essentially, the Valar and Maiar (together known as the Ainur) were the Angels, and Eru was God.

So in D&D terms, would they be most similar aasimar or chosen or aspects, in power level?

I would say Valar are equivalent of D&D Gods/Deities (Lesser, Intermediate or Greater) while Maiar would be considered demigods. Eru is beyond the scope of a D&D game.

-Havard

Bingo. That's how I'd do it, with as Big Mac mentions, Eru as the Overgod of the Middle-earth plane (Ardasphere in Spelljammer terms).

"Ardasphere". That has a nice ring to it! Although, I think the fans would probably go for "Ardaspace".

Note however, that unlike other realms, the Elves and the Dunedain know of and directly revere Eru, and the Valar and Maiar do not accept worship.

This means, in D&D terms, that there are no true clerics in the Ardasphere, if you go by Tolkien's ways in this, and thus there are at best anti-clerics of Morgoth (and later Sauron) known as "sorcerers," and perhaps magic-users, trained by the Council (Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, etc.).

The old MERP RPG handled this by there being the trained magicians and also "animists," who revered the Valar and Maiar but gained their power through the loyal spirits of the world itself, rather than directly from the powers as a D&D cleric would (so Elrond, IIRC, was the equivalent of a cleric, as he had animist levels rather than magician levels).

I am not sure how this is all divvied up with the new 5E RPG from Cubicle 7. One of these days I'll get around to buying it, as I've heard good things about it...

Clerics don't need to have deities in D&D. There are rules for clerics gaining power from things like forces and philosophies. (I think that paladins and rangers are often powered by philosophy and nature.) But I'm not sure that would be appropriate in Middle-earth. If Tolkien wanted clerics, he would have created something like them.

[JamesMishler]

"If Tolkien wanted clerics, he would have created something like them."

Healing magic is virtually unknown in Middle-earth among Men. The Elves possessed some talent in this, but much of it was apparently herb-lore. The Wizards possessed some, but then, they were the Istari, Maiar, the equivalent of demi-gods or angels.

In fact, so rare was true healing magic that the very appearance of it was part of the prophecy about the Return of the King, i.e., about Aragorn! The prophecy of the return of the king indicated that he would have "healing hands," which Aragorn did. His knowledge of elven herbal lore combined with his divine grace as rightful king such that when he went to heal Eowyn and Faramir in the House of Healing the healers claimed his talent was magical... and that began the whispers that the True King had returned.

I noticed a mention of aasimar that I had missed earlier. It could be argued that the line of Beren and Luthien were, in fact, aasimar, for Luthien was the daughter of Thingol (elf-king) and Melian the Maia... thus she and her line would be aasimar. And so the Choice of the Peredhil descended from them is not of elf or man, but of aasimar or man.

So I would use the aasimar race for Elrond, Arwen, Elladan, and Elrohir, though of course, Arwen later chooses to live a mortal life with her husband...

[Falconer]

The Maiar were innumerable, and varied vastly in power. Some were godlike (eg., Ossë, Lord of the Great Sea, or Arien, Lady of the Sun); others were werewolves or mermaids or leprechauns or hedge wizards or pretty much anything. I object to the idea that a PC couldn’t be one on the grounds that it would be like a demi-god or angel. Of course a DM may set the parameters for his campaign however he wants, but, the original OD&D set allowed even Balrog PCs, “provided they begin relatively weak and work up to the top.”

Similarly, I don’t see why a PC couldn’t be a potential Aragorn-like character — a Númenórean possibly descended from Elros from an obscure line; starting weak but able to work his way up to being able to cure wounds and turn undead with Aragornian aplomb.

Some people think roleplaying in Middle-earth means you have to play unremarkable people, tiptoeing wide about the perimeter of the great deeds recorded by Tolkien. I say roleplaying in Middle-earth should capture the feel of a Tolkien tale by being about remarkable people doing great deeds.

[T'masD'Mazz]

Tolkien did not put Clerics in Arda to avoid discussions about Politheism and Monotheism; I have not such qualm, I use the Valar as regular gods, and my problem is solved. The Valar are a pretty complete pantheon, by the way, which cover pretty much all the domains and the sphere of influence.

[Tolwen]

For various reasons, I always assumed that the fact that Gandalf was a Maiar was why he was allowed to return as Gandalf the White after his battle. Does this mean that Balrogs are also able to return from the dead?

Gandalf did not return due to his inherent power or status as a Maia (he was probably unable to do so), but he came back due to the grace of Eru (i.e. he was sent back). In a way, Eru thus broke his own rule of non-interference with the material world (but as God Almighty who's going to question you *g*?). But for the story arc within Arda, the Valar's plan had failed with the death of Gandalf against the Balrog. Gandalf's selfless sacrifice without hope of a return and sticking to his mission even in the face of the greater failure (overseeing that the One Ring got destroyed) he got a second chance. From a game perspective, he could have said (with every reason) "I'm too important too die, since I'm the mastermind of the resistance against Sauron and thus irreplaceable" (which was all correct) and choose to survive - possibly at the expense of one or more of the company who would have perished (for the greater good of course). But overall this would have been a fully reasonable way of Saruman's thinking (and one of the reason why he fell from grace).

Replacing a destroyed body is not an easy feat even for the Ainur in Arda. Overall it is a quite complex topic not easily answered in a few words. But in a nutshell, the Balrogs at the time of the War of the Jewels (and of course at any time later on) had lost the ability to re-create a destroyed body (which they formerly had).
All this is of course from a Middle-earth lore perspective rather than a gaming one (where things might be very different of course )

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Tolwen