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Approximating 2e kits with 5e canon

Postby Coronoides » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:58 am

Like many I have a bookshelf of 2e 'Complete' books full of kits. For those who don't in AD&D 2e a 'kit' was a set of small changes to a core class to support a particular profession or cultural role. The Battlerager in SCAG first appeared as a kit in the 'The Complete Book of the Dwarves'. Other kits included pirates, traders, jesters, heralds, gnome professors, elf bladesingers, etc.
For those us who have these the 2e Complete books are full of cool ideas for characters. 5e with it's backgrounds, feats, and archetypes should be able to emulate most of these without the need for multiclassing. So I started this thread to collect the 'builds' people propose to emulate 2e kits.
Here's some ideas I had for rogues from the Complete Book of Elves (CBE):

Elven Collectors are archeologist-thieves who ensure powerful magic items and artefacts remain out of the hands of unwise short-lived races and in the possession of elves who have the perspective to use them with respect or not at all. Collectors learn much about magic. The ‘lesser races’ often don’t give up powerful artefacts willingly so collectors must also learn to fight their way out (take the arcane trickster archetype, the history and arcana skills, and weapon master feat).

Elf Infiltrators are the ultimate spies, masters of disguise, stealth, and traversing difficult terrain (take Expertise in deception, and the Assasin archetype, take Linguist feat and then Skilled feat to learn Survival and two other skills).

Perhaps the most feared members of the rogue class are the elven ‘Hunters’ (CBE91) whose prey is not beasts but people. Hunters fetch those their lords want brought. Often the hunted are criminals but sometimes a political enemy of the lord is the quarry (take the assassin archetype and the Urban Bountry Hunter background from SCAG153).

I am eager to see what builds others can come up with.
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Conversion & Review of Council of Wryms including dragon PCs compatible with other 5e settings (at level 5+). DRAFT: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kkanqpayp4v3t ... 8.pdf?dl=0
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Re: Approximating 2e kits with 5e canon

Postby zontoxira » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:21 pm

I'm also in favour of using archetypes, backgrounds and feats for a given play-style. Roguish fighters? Check. Magic-wielding rogues? Check. Healing wizards? Soon-to-be-check (Theurgy tradition coming to Xanathar's Guide maybe?). Multiclassing to me feels like munchkinism.
I do have plenty of 2e splatbooks as well and occasionally I get inspirations for a 5e background or subclass based on various kits. Hopefully I can come up with something solid so I can post here.
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Re: Approximating 2e kits with 5e canon

Postby Coronoides » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:15 am

Some bards...

Dressed in finery to best reflect the wealth and power of their lord, heralds officially bare news either communications between lords or proclamations and information from the lord to his vassals. Unofficially, a good number of these so-called heralds are trained spies (CBH31 College of Lore, focusing on social skills, investigation, observation, and stealth, Courtier background (SCAG146), linguist feat).

Dwarven diplomats (CBD67) are atypical. Unlike other emissaries dwarven masters of negotiation strive to look as ordinary and unthreatening as possible (CBD67, college of lore, faction agent background SCAG147, and observant feat).

A less obvious example are the dwarf traders whose mule trains carry goods to the settlements of other vassal races, often along dangerous roads (CBD70, college of valor, guild merchant background, and alert feat).
Need to convert races to D&D 5e? Check out my mathematical analysis of canon races and design rules: https://rpggeek.com/filepage/120857/rev ... system-opt and excel sheet https://rpggeek.com/filepage/120858/exc ... on-article

Conversion & Review of Council of Wryms including dragon PCs compatible with other 5e settings (at level 5+). DRAFT: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kkanqpayp4v3t ... 8.pdf?dl=0
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