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Implications of Abeir in Current FR Timeline

Post by Tim Baker » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:36 am

Here's a fun blog post that talks about the implications of Abeir in the current Forgotten Realms timeline. https://www.brandesstoddard.com/2018/09 ... ealmslore/

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Re: Implications of Abeir in Current FR Timeline

Post by Zeromaru X » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:27 am

For me, Laerakond never left back to Abeir. (yeah, Laerakond is the actual name of the continent; nerdy trivia of the day :P). Even if they brought Maztica again, I will find a way to make Laerakond remain in Toril. There is a lot of unused water, anyways. If I ever advance my Neverwinter campaign beyond 1482, that is.

My reluctance of letting Laerakond waste away is because is Ed Greenwood's. That makes it Realmsian by default in my book.

As for the article, its good to see people trying to rescue the good bits of 4e. The guy needs to investigate more, thought. I mean, I updated the Laerakond articles in the FR wiki with the same "complete-ness" I've used with my Nentir Vale's post here.

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Re: Implications of Abeir in Current FR Timeline

Post by Tim Baker » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:34 am

Zeromaru X wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:27 am
My reluctance of letting Laerakond waste away is because is Ed Greenwood's. That makes it Realmsian by default in my book.
I didn't realize Ed Greenwood created this continent (or are you referring to the parallel version of Faerun?).

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Re: Implications of Abeir in Current FR Timeline

Post by Zeromaru X » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:49 am

Tim Baker wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:34 am
Zeromaru X wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:27 am
My reluctance of letting Laerakond waste away is because is Ed Greenwood's. That makes it Realmsian by default in my book.
I didn't realize Ed Greenwood created this continent (or are you referring to the parallel version of Faerun?).
I refer to both. The "canonical", Abeiran Laerakond was his only contribution to 4e's FRCG. He later expanded on the place in a pair of Dragon articles, talking about Gontal and Tarmalune.

He also created a version of Laerakond that exist on Toril since before the Spellplague for his home campaign. That was the time when he named the place Laerakond, as originally the place was only known by its Faerunian name (Returned Abeir). He later canonized the name in an Eyes on the Realms article (the one that talks about the magical gems of Rhauron).

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Post by Big Mac » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:20 pm

I've actually been trying to go the other way and think of ways that 4th Edition Forgotten Realms material could be foreshadowed in the 3rd Edition or 2nd Edition Era. But some of that Harbinger of Doom stuff might help with that.
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Re: Implications of Abeir in Current FR Timeline

Post by Tim Baker » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:52 pm

Big Mac wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:20 pm
I've actually been trying to go the other way and think of ways that 4th Edition Forgotten Realms material could be foreshadowed in the 3rd Edition or 2nd Edition Era. But some of that Harbinger of Doom stuff might help with that.
That's a cool idea. I haven't heard anyone else talk about approaching it this way. Feel free to share some of your ideas if you get a moment.

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Re: Implications of Abeir in Current FR Timeline

Post by Big Mac » Wed May 22, 2019 10:53 am

Tim Baker wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:52 pm
Big Mac wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:20 pm
I've actually been trying to go the other way and think of ways that 4th Edition Forgotten Realms material could be foreshadowed in the 3rd Edition or 2nd Edition Era. But some of that Harbinger of Doom stuff might help with that.
That's a cool idea. I haven't heard anyone else talk about approaching it this way. Feel free to share some of your ideas if you get a moment.
Thanks.

I think I've touched on this a few times before. (I'm not sure if other people have too).

My main problem with doing this is a lack of familiarity with the 4th Edition material.

There is also the fact that I would need this stuff to fit into the context of the Spelljammer universe. I'm not sure how well it does that. The big issue is that "Abeirspace" would need to be a workable planetary system, with a sun and crystal sphere and Ao would need some sort of way to connect that crystal sphere to "Realmspace" and also keep it separate.
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Re: Implications of Abeir in Current FR Timeline

Post by Zeromaru X » Wed May 22, 2019 7:53 pm

Big Mac wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 10:53 am
There is also the fact that I would need this stuff to fit into the context of the Spelljammer universe. I'm not sure how well it does that. The big issue is that "Abeirspace" would need to be a workable planetary system, with a sun and crystal sphere and Ao would need some sort of way to connect that crystal sphere to "Realmspace" and also keep it separate.
Well, there is not a thing such as "Abeirspace". Abeir do exist in the Realmspace, but in a unique way. In the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide, there is the following information:
Forgotten Realms Player's Guide, page 154 wrote:At the center of the universe lie the twin worlds of Abeir and Toril, slightly out of phase with each other. Both revolve around the same sun and both have a large lunar satellite, Selûne, trailed by a line of moonlets known as the Tears of Selûne
Back in the time of 4e, Rich Baker said this about its location:
Rich Baker wrote:I don't think we've spelled it out precisely, but I believe it to be a "dimensional phase" sort of thing -- you don't really see the one planet in the other planet's sky, but they are closely linked (most likely by portals and easy planar magic) so you can travel between the two more easily than you could go off to, say, the Nine Hells... provided you know how to do it.
And here's Ed Greenwood's answer regarding Abeir and spelljamming:
Ed Greenwood wrote:If you spelljammed up off Abeir, where you found yourself would depend on WHEN you left the surface of Abeir.
If it was immediately before, during, or after its "collision/passing through/intersection with" Toril, you would be in Realmspace (in probably very dangerous "weather" of bursts of spontaneous, uncontrolled lightning, vortices of destructive winds, wild magic, and other hairy, ferocious and everchanging side-effects of the two worlds "passing through" each other).
If it was long before or well after that time (more than a perhaps six months or so, either way), you'd find yourself lost in the phlogiston...somewhere. (I.e. up to your DM what the nearest crystal spheres would be.) Or in another dimension altogether (again, according to your DM's desires).
So, to me this means a few things:

1. Abeir is located in a demiplane within Realmspace, orbiting near its twin planet, Toril, but out of phase with the rest of Realmspace. That's why you cannot see it in space, or access it normally.
2. Seems there is no other planet alongside Abeir in that pocket dimension (unless the DM wants it otherwise).
3. As the pocket dimension is out of synchrony with the rest of Realmspace, it seems that if you left the planet you'll end up in some dimensional limbo (either in another dimension, or directly in the phlogiston, as the DM wants it).
4. Seems Selûne is the only point in common between Abeir's pocket dimension and the rest of Realmspace. This means that perhaps there is a natural portal in Selûne connecting both places.

Also, if we go by the Sundering novels, Abeir seems to be orbiting the sun of Realmspace following an opposite movement of translation than Toril.

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Re: Implications of Abeir in Current FR Timeline

Post by Seethyr » Wed May 22, 2019 8:56 pm

Big Mac wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:20 pm
I've actually been trying to go the other way and think of ways that 4th Edition Forgotten Realms material could be foreshadowed in the 3rd Edition or 2nd Edition Era. But some of that Harbinger of Doom stuff might help with that.
I am going to have to rely on others for the source, but I think Halaster had visions of the Spellplague’s occurrence prior to 4e. It drove him mad(der) and he died in an attempt to prevent it.
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