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Chaos Monk as a Fey-linked order?

Post by Gecko » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:13 am

I never really understood the Chaos Monk.

Is there supposed to be an actual monastery or order of these folks?

Would it be possible to reskin it as a fey/faerie-linked class and philosophy that someone could develop either without a mentor (or have the mentor be a fey/faerie)? If so, I’m hoping that might then be usable within the Mystaran concept of the fey/faerie.

A long while back I set myself a challenge to randomly select some multiclass characters weighted towards those classes and races not normally used in Mystara, then see if I could mystaranize a rational character concept out of the resulting mash-up. The only one I was never able to finish was the Chaos Monk part of the Shifter Sidhe Scholar Druid/Chaos Monk, largely because as I mentioned I don’t “get” the Chaos monk concept.

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Post by Havard » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:21 am

What book is the Chaos Monk detailed in?

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Re: Chaos Monk as a Fey-linked order?

Post by Angel Tarragon » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:04 pm

Havard wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:21 am
What book is the Chaos Monk detailed in?
I'm not sure that it is in a book, but here is the wiki of it.

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Re: Chaos Monk as a Fey-linked order?

Post by Khedrac » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:17 pm

Angel Tarragon wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:04 pm
Havard wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:21 am
What book is the Chaos Monk detailed in?
I'm not sure that it is in a book, but here is the wiki of it.
That's Homebrew.

The D&DWikis (I think there are at least two) are notorious for not clearly labelling homebrew - that page is labelled if you look for it, but I think what people mean is that it is easy to follow a link from official material to homebrew without realising. They are also notorious for thr homebrew being very unbalanced, but the same can be said of a lot of official material to that's a wash.
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Re: Chaos Monk as a Fey-linked order?

Post by Gecko » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:42 pm

Actually the one I’m thinking of was from a magazine issue (probably Dragon) but I’m not at my computer to get the issue number at the moment

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Re: Chaos Monk as a Fey-linked order?

Post by Gecko » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:44 pm

Ok, had a chance to look it up. It’s from dragon magazine #335 (sept 2005), page 89 by Tim Hitchcock

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Re: Chaos Monk as a Fey-linked order?

Post by willpell » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:50 pm

This is definitely somewhat higher in power level; either of Bluff or Intimidate would have been worth giving up both Knowledges for, since they have a lot more direct application. Switching from Wisdom to Charisma is neat, however, and in general, I've had the idea that monk-like characters could be Chaotic in the past (they should also be able to be neutral, and the standard monk fluff is at least still consistent with True Neutral). I once conceptualized an alternate class, called the Soulfist or something similarly bland, which was meant to be an "other half" to the Monk class, similar to how the Sohei is effectively a "lawful Barbarian".

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Re: Chaos Monk as a Fey-linked order?

Post by Tim Baker » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:58 pm

Gecko wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:13 am
Would it be possible to reskin it as a fey/faerie-linked class and philosophy that someone could develop either without a mentor (or have the mentor be a fey/faerie)? If so, I’m hoping that might then be usable within the Mystaran concept of the fey/faerie.
Unfortunately, I don't have that issue of Dragon Magazine, but I like the idea of monks who are tied to the fey and therefore have a chaotic philosophy. I guess I don't see a reason why that wouldn't be possible unless the class offers mechanics that couldn't be reconciled with that approach. I'd be interested to hear how you tie the class to the fey, as it's an approach I haven't seen before.
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Michel Druschel

Post by Gecko » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:26 am

Here's what I've got so far:

Michel Druschel ECL 2
Male Shifter Chaos Monk-1/Sidhe Scholar Druid-1
CN Medium Humanoid (Shapechanger)
Init: +1; Senses: Listen+6, Spot+6; Low-Light Vision
Aura: Chaotic (Faint)
Languages: Fluent in Sylaire; Conversational in Thyatian (Glantrian dialect) & Druidic [note: I may yet shift some skill point's to take Sylvan or similar languages - though I wonder if the Sidhe Scholar Druid should even get Druidic?]
AC: 13 Touch 13 Flat-footed 12; +2 Natural Armor while shifting
Hp: 12 (2d8-2 HD)
Fort: +3, Ref: +3, Will: +6
Speed: 30 ft
Melee: Mwk Staff +1 melee (1d6); Unarmed Strike +0 melee (1d6)
Ranged: Light Crossbow +1 ranged (1d8)
Base Atk: +0; Grp: +0
Atk Options: Flailing Strikes, Spells
Spells Typically Endowed: (CL 1st, Ranged Touch Attack +1)
1st level: Aspect of the Wolf, Extend Shifting, Shillelagh, Summon Nature’s Ally I*
Orisons: Cure Minor Wounds, Dawn, Flare, Resistance, Virtue
*= Spontaneous substitution
Abilities: Str 11, Dex 13, Con 9, Int 8, Wis 14, Cha 8
SQ: Shifting (Beasthide)
Feats: Alertness, Armor Proficiency (Light), Endurance, Improved Unarmed Strike, Monastic Training (Druid), Shield Proficiency, Skill Focus (Knowledge-Nature), Weapon Proficiency (Simple Weapons plus Handaxe, Nunchaki, Sai, Shuriken, & Siangham)
Skills: Balance+3, Climb+6, Diplomacy-2, Handle Animal+5, Knowledge (Nature)+5, Knowledge (Religion)+3, Jump+2, Listen+6, Spot+6, Survival+4

Possessions: 345sp equivalent in coinage, Masterwork Quarterstaff, Light Crossbow, 10 Bolts, Spell Component Pouch, Backpack, Belt Pouch, 2 Sunrods, Waterskin, Potion of Cure Light Wounds, Monk’s Outfit
Antalian Cob Horse, Normal. Gear/Carrying: Bit and Bridle, 10 Days Feed, Riding saddle, Saddlebags, bedroll, 10 days Trail Rations, Flint & Steel, 50’ hempen Rope. Light Load (50’) if not ridden, Heavy Load (35’, -1 AC, -6 to Balance & Climb) if ridden
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Attendants of the Fey (Druidic Order) (Ex): -1 Diplomacy with non-Fey (already included above) but +2 Circumstance bonus on Knowledge (Nature) checks regarding Fey (see Dragon #337)
Beast Spirit (Su): As part of the racial substitution level (see Races of Eberron pgs 126-8) in lieu of Animal Companion or Wild One, gain Alertness as a bonus feat & Extend Shifting & Feral Empathy
Divine Spellcasting (Sp): Prepared druidic spellcasting w/Spontaneous Substitution for Summon Nature’s Ally
Extend Shifting (Su): Beast Spirit adds 2 rounds to shifting duration
Feral Empathy (Su): Beast Spirit grants an instinctive +4 bonus on wild empathy checks & Handle Animal checks
Flailing Strike (Ex): As part of a full round action with unarmed strike or kata weapons Michel makes 1d4-1 additional attacks but all attacks are at -2
Intelligentsia (Ex): Michel gained Skill Focus (Knowledge [nature]) as a bonus feat
Monk Abilities (Ex): Unarmed Strike, Flailing Strike, Bonus Feat (Monastic Training), Wisdom bonus to AC when unarmored & unencumbered
Nature Sense (Ex): +2 bonus to Knowledge (Nature) & Survival checks
Shifting (Beasthide) (Su): As a free action gain +2 Con, & +2 natural Armor for 5 rounds
Unarmed Strike (Ex): 1d6 damage, gains the Improved Unarmed Strike Feat as a Bonus feat. Never any off-hand penalty for Unarmed Strikes which are counted as both a Natural Attack and a manufactured weapon
Wild Empathy (Ex): @ +4 with Animals, +0 with Magical Beasts [correction: Sidhe Scholar Druids don't get Wild Empathy]

Description: 6’5”, 234lbs. The Druschel family has lived in the Vallee des Loups for generations and Michel has some lycanthropic ancestry. Though not a lycanthrope himself, he can tap into parts of his ancestry and he could always feel the call of the wild (in D&D terms he is a Shifter). Growing up he was taught to forsake that part of himself in order to fit in to the “civilized” village, but the call was too great and he gradually found himself spending more and more time travelling the surrounding woods and hills until by his late teens he knew just about every single tree in the nearby copse. In those wilds he had a transformative encounter with the Fey of the vallee. SECTION TO BE WRITTEN. One day he had an encounter with a Lupin, a unheard of sight in the Vallee – Prakash or “Pop” insists he’s on a mission to Lhamsa, but he has stayed with Michel for months now, sticking to him like a, well, like a puppy insisting he’s somehow duty-bound to “serve” monks. He had heard “bogy-man” stories about Lupin’s from a great aunt – stories presumably passed down through the generations. Michel always knew those stories were likely just that – exaggerated stories across the ages to frighten children, but yet there’s times when Michel catches Pop staring almost menacingly at him. Did those scary stories influence him more than he though and he’s simply imagining it? Or does Pop somehow detest this ‘servitude’ which Michel never asked for and keeps trying to “release” Pop from? Michel had agreed to help Pop get to Lhamsa by putting him in contact with Peter Loofbourow, a guide and fellow outdoors enthusiast friend of Michel’s but Pop never seems to be in a hurry and has always had Michel hold-off on contacting Peter. In truth that was fine with Michel as connecting back up with Peter would mean going to that abomination – “the city”, but it’s been 5 months now and Pop finally agreed it was time so the pair are now on their way to Glantri City to their arranged meeting with Peter.

Note: Other party members are (or are going to be):

Michel Druschel, Shifter Fey-disciple (see above)
Peter Loofbourow, Draconic Human Guide
Prakash, aka "Pop", Lupin Mystic & ascetic
Wannlun, Gnome of mysterious background
Ionafán Zaborsky, Human student of necromancy

(I will add links when/if they get posted to the boards)
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Re: Chaos Monk as a Fey-linked order?

Post by Gecko » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:59 am

Willpell - Did you have any mechanics or fluff for your "soulfist"?
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Unfortunately, I don't have that issue of Dragon Magazine, but I like the idea of monks who are tied to the fey and therefore have a chaotic philosophy. I guess I don't see a reason why that wouldn't be possible unless the class offers mechanics that couldn't be reconciled with that approach. I'd be interested to hear how you tie the class to the fey, as it's an approach I haven't seen before.
Nothing seems to either suggest nor conflict with the idea. Basically the differences are:
Some of the Monk ability changes are largely pure fluff:
Ki Strike (Chaotic) instead of Ki Strike (Lawful); &
Capstone of Anarchic Self instead of Perfect Self (same base effects plus gains the chaotic subtype)

The biggest change is the Flailing Strike instead of Flurry of Blows (takes a random number of extra attacks - possibly even zero at levels 1-4 & 10th) I believe it averages out to the same number of attacks as a base monk, just each round might be up to +/- 3 attacks at some levels. From the way it's written it sounds like the base initial attack is not penalized, but I figured it's meant to be - just wasn't spelled out for space limitations - otherwise it would be too powerful. As it is the possibility of +3 attacks in a given round doesn't seem fully compensated by the possibility of "whiffing" and getting just the base attack, but then most of the other higher level abilities are arguably power-downs to compensate in my view:

Erratic Advance (can Daze a target charged if the target fail's a Will save) instead of Purity of Body (so an attack requiring a specific circumstance in exchange for an always in effect immunity to normal diseases);
Displacing Stance (20%) instead of Wholeness of Body, (50%) inplace of Abundant Step (as a standard action invoke a miss chance for half level number of rounds per day - consecutively or non-consecutively - so good defense for a limited time if sacrificing a rounds Standard Action to initiate, in exchange for self-healing and 1/day dimension door) Doesn't say how to end the stance before the full number of rounds, I'm assuming it's a free action to end the effect - a standard action to enter it is costly enough; &
Freedom of Thought (1/day may reattempt a failed Will save vs. Mind-Affecting effects) instead of Diamond Body (though you still get Diamond Soul) (trading an always in effect immunity to poison for a second, not guaranteed chance, at a single missed specific situation save)

The variant also get's Greater Flailing instead of Greater Flurry - though it's not explained what that is (I've been presuming it's just an extra full attack and is just an appropriately renamed Greater Flurry)

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Re: Chaos Monk as a Fey-linked order?

Post by Tim Baker » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:54 am

Thanks for the more detailed explanation. You're right, I don't see anything that ties it to the fey. However, it would still make for a fun explanation for why it's a chaotic order. I'd enjoy incorporating it into my game.
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