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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by Doc Necrotic » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:42 am

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I have to say the 5e Creature Codex (Kobold Press) has raised my interest in Midgard as a setting. The codex is very well done and from what I can read about that setting, in the yellow box side bars, intrigues me. I might invest in Midgard 5e books this year. ;)
Kobold Press' products are consistently a high quality. They really set the bar for third-party publishers. The Midgard Worldbook is a great place to start if you're interested in the setting, its lore, history, pantheon, geography, races, etc.
Not gonna lie, Kobold Press is one of the few things keeping me in 5E. They're fantastic, to say the least.
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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by pawsplay » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:29 am

My Adventurers League character is a fighter, and honestly I can't remember ever having this much fun with a straight-up fighter in any D&D game before.

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by lookatroopa » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:48 am

Reaching back to shortly after I started playing D&D with 3.5e, I've always been into the peripheral and experimental stuff, especially material from the magazines (even built a huge spacefaring campaign primarily off of Shadow of the Spider Moon, supplemented with a bunch of unrelated articles for the purposes of Star Trek-style "planet of the day" plots). I'd say that 5e certainly has a strong core, but the dearth of material that doesn't play it safe really puts me off. I will say though, the incorporation of 2e elements that were dropped in 3.x has been an inspiration for me to go back and explore that edition myself, and it might now be my favourite version of the game overall.

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by shesheyan » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:00 pm

lookatroopa wrote:
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....but the dearth of material that doesn't play it safe really puts me off...
I don't understand this sentence. If you have time can you expand on this with more details? ;)

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by lookatroopa » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:11 pm

shesheyan wrote:
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lookatroopa wrote:
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....but the dearth of material that doesn't play it safe really puts me off...
I don't understand this sentence. If you have time can you expand on this with more details? ;)
I'm referring to the fact that, outside of rare occasions with Dragon+, the only official game material that gets published for 5e is their main line of adventures and sourcebooks, none of which are particularly groundbreaking in their content. Theoretically, Descent into Avernus could've gone there, but even that felt like they were playing it very safe despite the fact that it's an extraplanar adventure.

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by Tim Baker » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:49 am

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Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:29 am
My Adventurers League character is a fighter, and honestly I can't remember ever having this much fun with a straight-up fighter in any D&D game before.
I'm glad to hear it! What do you like about the 5e fighter? What sub-class did you choose?

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by Tim Baker » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:58 am

lookatroopa wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:48 am
the incorporation of 2e elements that were dropped in 3.x has been an inspiration for me to go back and explore that edition myself, and it might now be my favourite version of the game overall.
What aspects of 2e do you enjoy in 5e?

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by pawsplay » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:19 am

Tim Baker wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:49 am
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:29 am
My Adventurers League character is a fighter, and honestly I can't remember ever having this much fun with a straight-up fighter in any D&D game before.
I'm glad to hear it! What do you like about the 5e fighter? What sub-class did you choose?
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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by lookatroopa » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:28 am

Tim Baker wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:58 am
lookatroopa wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:48 am
the incorporation of 2e elements that were dropped in 3.x has been an inspiration for me to go back and explore that edition myself, and it might now be my favourite version of the game overall.
What aspects of 2e do you enjoy in 5e?
Not actually sure, I'm not very rules-literate and can't spot commonalities between systems easily, but just hearing that 5e borrows a lot of mechanics from 2e is what got me curious about what those mechanics were like in that edition.

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by shesheyan » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:31 pm

Tim Baker wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:23 am
shesheyan wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:37 am
I have to say the 5e Creature Codex (Kobold Press) has raised my interest in Midgard as a setting. The codex is very well done and from what I can read about that setting, in the yellow box side bars, intrigues me. I might invest in Midgard 5e books this year. ;)
Kobold Press' products are consistently a high quality. They really set the bar for third-party publishers. The Midgard Worldbook is a great place to start if you're interested in the setting, its lore, history, pantheon, geography, races, etc.
Actually I was turned off from Kobold Press by the two Rise of Tiamat 5e books. Mostly because of a bad choice of paper. It was too dark making the shaded maps style muddy and hard to read. Also some of the numbers on some maps were either missing are misplaced. :facepalm:

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by Havard » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:53 pm

shesheyan wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:31 pm
Tim Baker wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:23 am
shesheyan wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:37 am
I have to say the 5e Creature Codex (Kobold Press) has raised my interest in Midgard as a setting. The codex is very well done and from what I can read about that setting, in the yellow box side bars, intrigues me. I might invest in Midgard 5e books this year. ;)
Kobold Press' products are consistently a high quality. They really set the bar for third-party publishers. The Midgard Worldbook is a great place to start if you're interested in the setting, its lore, history, pantheon, geography, races, etc.
Actually I was turned off from Kobold Press by the two Rise of Tiamat 5e books. Mostly because of a bad choice of paper. It was too dark making the shaded maps style muddy and hard to read. Also some of the numbers on some maps were either missing are misplaced. :facepalm:
While I am not a fan of the Rise of Tiamat books, I would not hold this against Kobold Press. I am a big fan of them in general, including many of their 5E books.

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by shesheyan » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:59 pm

Havard wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:53 pm
shesheyan wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:31 pm
Tim Baker wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:23 am
shesheyan wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:37 am
I have to say the 5e Creature Codex (Kobold Press) has raised my interest in Midgard as a setting. The codex is very well done and from what I can read about that setting, in the yellow box side bars, intrigues me. I might invest in Midgard 5e books this year. ;)
Kobold Press' products are consistently a high quality. They really set the bar for third-party publishers. The Midgard Worldbook is a great place to start if you're interested in the setting, its lore, history, pantheon, geography, races, etc.
Actually I was turned off from Kobold Press by the two Rise of Tiamat 5e books. Mostly because of a bad choice of paper. It was too dark making the shaded maps style muddy and hard to read. Also some of the numbers on some maps were either missing are misplaced. :facepalm:
While I am not a fan of the Rise of Tiamat books, I would not hold this against Kobold Press. I am a big fan of them in general, including many of their 5E books.

-Havard
Well, I did buy their Creature Codex and like it very much, like I said in my previous post. It just took me a while to even consider looking at one of their books after my RoT disappointment.

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by Havard » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:19 pm

shesheyan wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:59 pm
Well, I did buy their Creature Codex and like it very much, like I said in my previous post. It just took me a while to even consider looking at one of their books after my RoT disappointment.
Sorry, I missed that. Thanks for clarifying! :)

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by Tim Baker » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:20 am

shesheyan wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:31 pm
Actually I was turned off from Kobold Press by the two Rise of Tiamat 5e books. Mostly because of a bad choice of paper. It was too dark making the shaded maps style muddy and hard to read. Also some of the numbers on some maps were either missing are misplaced. :facepalm:
I heard that was a very rushed product to meet the launch deadline for 5e, while the rules were still changing from underneath the Kobold Press designers. It made for an entertaining podcast interview, but a somewhat disappointing product. I suspect the maps are on them. I'm not sure about the print quality, though. It wouldn't surprise me if WotC handled the printing side of things.

Perhaps I should qualify my previous statement to omit collaborations with other publishers. :)

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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by zontoxira » Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:51 pm

lookatroopa wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:28 am
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What aspects of 2e do you enjoy in 5e?
Not actually sure, I'm not very rules-literate and can't spot commonalities between systems easily, but just hearing that 5e borrows a lot of mechanics from 2e is what got me curious about what those mechanics were like in that edition.
To be honest, I'd be hard-pressed to point any aspects of 2e baked into 5e despite the fact that I've been playing the former for over 10 years now. Proficiencies would be the most obvious, fighting styles, and subclasses (kits), even though they work a little differently. I can say for certain that it does feel 2e at some times, like a strong mix between story and dungeon. I got even more 2e vibes back when it was called D&D Next, especially with nomenclature (or at least, that's what I remember).
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Re: Has your interest in 5E changed?

Post by Tim Baker » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:51 pm

zontoxira wrote:
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To be honest, I'd be hard-pressed to point any aspects of 2e baked into 5e despite the fact that I've been playing the former for over 10 years now. Proficiencies would be the most obvious, fighting styles, and subclasses (kits), even though they work a little differently. I can say for certain that it does feel 2e at some times, like a strong mix between story and dungeon.
It seems to me that you just provided a pretty good list, right there. :) I find that 5e has several elements that feel like 2e, although it doesn't have many mechanics that are as directly tied back to that edition. Although you did a nice job of pointing out the elements that have that more direct tie. I can note anecdotally that my DM hadn't played/run D&D since 2e, but 5e brought him back. He seems to like that it feels close enough to 2e while streamlining some of the mechanics and making it more cohesive.
zontoxira wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:51 pm
I got even more 2e vibes back when it was called D&D Next, especially with nomenclature (or at least, that's what I remember).
I can't quite put my finger on it, but when D&D Next was experimenting with mechanics that weren't all d20-driven, it really contributed to more of a direct 2e feel in my mind. By the time 5e was released, I felt like they were playing it safe and bringing the mechanics into much more of a simplified 3e alignment, while not completely tossing away some of the older edition feel. However, I believe the 5e product that most feels like an older edition of the game is the free Basic Rules PDF that has the original races and classes from all the way back in the White Box + Greyhawk days.

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