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[Immortals's Shield] Kingdoms Beyond Aeryl?

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Dragon #200 describes the Great Immortal's Shield region of the Arm of the Immortals and the two kingdoms of Aeryl and Eshu. The mountains north of Aeryl are home to many flying creatures such as Griffons, chimerae, pegasi, giant eagles, manticores and hippogriffs.

On p 57, Bruce Heard speculates that there could be further kingdoms to the north and south of this area which could be home to harpies, pegataurs, sphinxes, and D&D versions of AD&D creatures such as Kenkus and Aaracockras (paraphrasing).

Has anyone developed these realms further?

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A lot of fan development in the region, as you can see in my map of Brun http://pandius.com/Brun_updated.png and other maps http://pandius.com/greatmap.html listed in Threshold #17 which also summarize the fans work in the region.
North of Aeryl the pegataurs of the mountain should be part of the Yezchamenid Empire http://pandius.com/yezcham.html created by Adrian Mathias as M-Persia.
To the south instead the greatest development was done by by Átila Pires dos Santos also in Threshold Magazine issue 17 http://pandius.com/swarmimm.html with also a map http://pandius.com/southern_arm_of_the_immortals.png
He populated the region with some Tanagoro kingdoms but there is still space for other races.
Adilli, mentioned in Gombar and Suma'a material, should be inhabited by gyerians.
Then there are the Krolli and the Mythu'nn folk described in the Savage Coast Monstrous Compendium http://pandius.com/sc_monst.html which I expanded and placed in this article http://pandius.com/sc_ppl.html and this map http://pandius.com/Central_Arm_of_the_Immortal_24.png in Threshold issue #18.
Also the Arm should also have relevant populations of Jakar rakasta and other rakasta, lizardmen, humanoids, and IMO also Jorri, Neshezu, Mugumba Mud-Dwellers, Omm-wa and probably also Tortles and Crabmen.
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Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:40 am
A lot of fan development in the region, as you can see in my map of Brun http://pandius.com/Brun_updated.png and other maps http://pandius.com/greatmap.html listed in Threshold #17 which also summarize the fans work in the region.
North of Aeryl the pegataurs of the mountain should be part of the Yezchamenid Empire http://pandius.com/yezcham.html created by Adrian Mathias as M-Persia.
To the south instead the greatest development was done by by Átila Pires dos Santos also in Threshold Magazine issue 17 http://pandius.com/swarmimm.html with also a map http://pandius.com/southern_arm_of_the_immortals.png
He populated the region with some Tanagoro kingdoms but there is still space for other races.
Adilli, mentioned in Gombar and Suma'a material, should be inhabited by gyerians.
Then there are the Krolli and the Mythu'nn folk described in the Savage Coast Monstrous Compendium http://pandius.com/sc_monst.html which I expanded and placed in this article http://pandius.com/sc_ppl.html and this map http://pandius.com/Central_Arm_of_the_Immortal_24.png in Threshold issue #18.
Also the Arm should also have relevant populations of Jakar rakasta and other rakasta, lizardmen, humanoids, and IMO also Jorri, Neshezu, Mugumba Mud-Dwellers, Omm-wa and probably also Tortles and Crabmen.
Good overview! I also like your added suggestions.

I do think there is room there for adding small kingdoms or tribes of the races Bruce mentions in his article. I think the Mystara versions of Aaracockra and Kenku could be related or even breeds of Gyerians which could be connected to Adili as you mention.

Pegataurs here seems a bit odd given their Alphatian orgin.

I would like to see more places for the Faenare from PC2. They are an awesome race.

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Faenare could live in the area too.
Mattias supposed pegataurs could be from Alphatia I think, but left their origin undetermined.
Personally I prefer to use them as an ancient race like the centaurs rather than an Alphatian creation, as in general I do not like much the 'wizard creation' origin for any race, but that's just personal preference.
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I think at least one or two Shining Isles of the Faedorne, high overhead, would be appropriate additions to the area as well.
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Sturm wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:19 am
Faenare could live in the area too.
Mattias supposed pegataurs could be from Alphatia I think, but left their origin undetermined.
Personally I prefer to use them as an ancient race like the centaurs rather than an Alphatian creation, as in general I do not like much the 'wizard creation' origin for any race, but that's just personal preference.
I agree with you here. Especially with a race that is as iconic for Mystara as the Pegataurs, I think it would be a shame to make them such a young race since it would limit where we could use them.

Perhaps instead of actually inventing the entire race, the Alphatian Wizard simply created a specific population of Alphatian Pegataurs based on the Shyie Lawr elves he used in his experiments?
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:28 am
I think at least one or two Shining Isles of the Faedorne, high overhead, would be appropriate additions to the area as well.
Yeah, that makes sense. I tend to think they will try to establish their dominion above any elven homeland, so having a few Shining Isles above Aeryl works well.

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Havard wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:37 pm
Perhaps instead of actually inventing the entire race, the Alphatian Wizard simply created a specific population of Alphatian Pegataurs based on the Shyie Lawr elves he used in his experiments?
Yes that would be a much better solution.
I suppose many subculture and subraces of pegataurs could live in Mystara, as of centaurs.
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Regarding Pegataurs, Ee'aar, and Faerie, consider:

The Kingdom of Faerie seems to have some kind of close ties to the Plane of Air (I seem to recall this alluded to in canon, but it may just be my own extrapolation based on the limited info we have on them).

The Ee'aar are said to have gotten their wings through Aeryl, who gained them via an extended stay in the Faerie Kingdom(s).

Pegataurs are known to primarily exist in/around Alphatia, a land populated primarily by Followers of Air.

Could centaurs from either Old Alphatia or Mystara have similarly found themselves on an extended stay in Faerie, and thus the original Pegataurs gained their wings in a similar manner as Aeryl and the Ee'aar (whatever that method may have been).

Also, further, could there be an as yet unrevealed race of winged humans (of Alphatian or Cypri origin) who gained wings in a similar fashion, and are living somewhere on Mystara?

EDIT: Apologies if I am starting to veer OT. This discussion may be good to branch out into a different thread.
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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:24 pm
Regarding Pegataurs, Ee'aar, and Faerie, consider:

The Kingdom of Faerie seems to have some kind of close ties to the Plane of Air (I seem to recall this alluded to in canon, but it may just be my own extrapolation based on the limited info we have on them).

The Ee'aar are said to have gotten their wings through Aeryl, who gained them via an extended stay in the Faerie Kingdom(s).

Pegataurs are known to primarily exist in/around Alphatia, a land populated primarily by Followers of Air.

Could centaurs from either Old Alphatia or Mystara have similarly found themselves on an extended stay in Faerie, and thus the original Pegataurs gained their wings in a similar manner as Aeryl and the Ee'aar (whatever that method may have been).

Also, further, could there be an as yet unrevealed race of winged humans (of Alphatian or Cypri origin) who gained wings in a similar fashion, and are living somewhere on Mystara?

EDIT: Apologies if I am starting to veer OT. This discussion may be good to branch out into a different thread.

I think these ideas are quite interesting.

I like the idea that several races could have gotten their wings through experiments or quests involving the Plane of Air and perhaps aided by the Faerie. I would really have loved a re-imaination of the Faerie though.

The canonical Pegataurs of Mystara are tied to the Alphatians, but also to the Shyie elves, meaning that specific breed of Pegataurs cannot be older than 2000 years.

But I do rather like the idea of other paralell creations of Pegataurs. If Alphatian Centaurs got wings in a way similar to the Ee'aar, then perhaps the Wizard who created the Shiye based Pegataurs could have gotten the idea from those. Alphatians would in any case be very familiar with the Plane of Air.

OTOH, if we want Pegataurs to be more widespread on Mystara, perhaps we should also consider having breeds of Pegataurs (and Winged Elves) at an earlier point in history as well? These could be different in terms of some traits and appearance since they were created at separate times, though perhaps through a similar process.

I also wonder if the Shyie elves knew about the Ee'aar, and could this have been a reason why they volunteered to be turned into Pegataurs?

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:24 pm
Also, further, could there be an as yet unrevealed race of winged humans (of Alphatian or Cypri origin) who gained wings in a similar fashion, and are living somewhere on Mystara?
Very interesting idea, any ideas where they might be hiding? In canon they don't seem to be in Alphatia proper or its near abroad, or in Blackhill. Or where they just well hidden in one of those areas?
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The Ee'aar are said to have gotten their wings through Aeryl, who gained them via an extended stay in the Faerie Kingdom(s).

Pegataurs are known to primarily exist in/around Alphatia, a land populated primarily by Followers of Air.

Could centaurs from either Old Alphatia or Mystara have similarly found themselves on an extended stay in Faerie, and thus the original Pegataurs gained their wings in a similar manner as Aeryl and the Ee'aar (whatever that method may have been).
Brings to mind the disappearing/reappearing Prince Volospin Aendyr plot from the Almanacs, I think the story was when he showed back up in AC 1017 or so that he'd been whisked off to the Plane of Air by a contingency spell before the meteor hit (or before he was killed battling Alphatian wizards if you don't use the meteor)? Possibly he was in Faerie instead, where more time elapsed, and might return winged?
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Greenbrier wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:43 pm
Very interesting idea, any ideas where they might be hiding? In canon they don't seem to be in Alphatia proper or its near abroad, or in Blackhill. Or where they just well hidden in one of those areas?
I hadn't thought about it too much, as the idea just came to mind. I'd imagine like you, that they are probably no longer in Alphatia. Maybe they are in the large mountain ranges of Skothar, in a sort of parallel to the Arm of the Immortals.
Brings to mind the disappearing/reappearing Prince Volospin Aendyr plot from the Almanacs, I think the story was when he showed back up in AC 1017 or so that he'd been whisked off to the Plane of Air by a contingency spell before the meteor hit (or before he was killed battling Alphatian wizards if you don't use the meteor)? Possibly he was in Faerie instead, where more time elapsed, and might return winged?
Could be. I know that when I wrote that initial plot, I had presumed that Volospin was actually being held captive by some unnamed noble on the Plane of Air (possibly one of the Elemasters) for his crimes against their people over the many decades of his life (essentially binding/enslaving elementals to his own whims). That was a plot from a story I had once drafted, and included there. Of course, others are free to take it and run with it as they will.
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Discussion about Prince Volospin have been split into a separate thread here

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Havard wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:51 pm
Dragon #200 describes the Great Immortal's Shield region of the Arm of the Immortals and the two kingdoms of Aeryl and Eshu. The mountains north of Aeryl are home to many flying creatures such as Griffons, chimerae, pegasi, giant eagles, manticores and hippogriffs.

On p 57, Bruce Heard speculates that there could be further kingdoms to the north and south of this area which could be home to harpies, pegataurs, sphinxes, and D&D versions of AD&D creatures such as Kenkus and Aaracockras (paraphrasing).

Has anyone developed these realms further?

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I inserted the Wereraven on the west coast of Brun, yet further north. about midway between Aeryl and the Elven Kingdom of the Tree of Life adventure.
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